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How do you distinguish when a PvE'er becomes a PvP'er... and why would CCP want to encourage said distinctions. We want to encourage people to PvP, not inhibit them!!!!

Btw, nearly all PvP'ers partake in some PvE activities to fund their PvP.

As for concord.. .fine.... lets not have concord be responsible for the new bounty system... give it to some organization with less scruples... Problem solved...

Finally, I really, really don't understand your fear? For example.... Why would it matter if I put a 1b bounty on your head... just for protesting this change?? Do you think you'll be magically hunted down by griefers for the rest of your EvE career? How will this inhibit you... explain to me why this is going to harm you or hurt you or prevent you from playing!!!

"Kill Rights will now be created at the same time a Criminal flag is put on a player, but only for attacking in hi sec or podding in low sec"

I love the idea of being able to "rent" kill rights, tho I would prefer it to start a Limited Engagement rather than Suspect flag - I do not want to share the kill! However... To me, the above statement of how you get killrights effectively renders them pointless. Folks who pod in lowsec are *usually* going to be flashy anyhow, due to the whomping big sec hit associated with podding, and ppl who care about sec status generally don't pod. KR on a flashy is redundant since they're, well, flashy. Hisec ganking is such a small fraction of pvp that I don't see it generating any useful volume of KRs either. I'll assert that the new Crimewatch mechanics will also reduce the number of hisec ganks since the scooping of ganked loot becomes minutely more problematic. Sooo.... where are these lovely rentable KRs going to come from?

Why did non-return-fire lowsec ship kills get removed as KR generators? Too complicated to describe/maintain ? Why not say any lowsec ship aggression that generates a Suspect flag grants a KR? please? :)

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so as of right now i can go to my overview settings and tag every player with buyable kill rights and select them to be color coded in my overview,,, that option does not exist right now,,,

Careful how you frame this....

The "You can't force me to play your way" crowd are going to eat this up and spit it back at you!

there's a show pilots with bounty's option (which currently only works in the overview, not in local list - but we're fixing for the expansion) but we want to add an option to show pilots with buyable kill rights in there too, with some specific icon and color (I already mentioned pink, I WANT PINK)

(I had already replied to this question here - does nobody notice my posts??????????)

this is 1 of the hottest forum subjects this year thank you ccp
my thought on ASB should be only 10-12% more boost than a pith x-type (x-large) ( dunno about the smaller units) or possible reduction boost amp effectiveness or increase of cap use use or larger fitting requirements
also structure bounties should be payed out to top damage dealer and final blow (makes an incentive to blow up high sec POS) are structure bounties just reserved to POS ? how about sov blockade units or mobile warp disruptors? or would corp/alliance bounties cover these deployable structure?
i have been waiting salvage drone for awhile and would the noctis get a drone bay for these drones? maybe a skill to make these salvage drones more effective to possbilty of a t1 salvager ( t2 salvager still be king)
:: explosive incredible hulk brofist to ccp::

Actualy, I did say "ship aggression that generates Suspect flag" - activating KR is not ship aggression, thus does not generate KR. Nor would returning fire on someone who aggressed you.

those are very good points that I missed.



I do understand the legal justifications. But legal and illegal having nothing to do with right and wrong nor functional and not functional. I'm not saying you have to see things my way so please don't tell me that I must seeing things your way.

CCP controls all the rules around in game isk. That gives them complete control over it. When the game is strictly sold as a pay over time thing where you give them a set amount of money at set intervals then your comment has more validity. When a mechanic is introduced to buy game money with real money then the line becomes blurred.

It's like designing a product to fail just outside of warranty so that you can sell the product more often. There is nothing illegal about it but it is certainly corrupt.

There is a conflict of interests there. You have to understand that just like we work within the rules of the game to try and benefit ourselves to the highest degree so does CCP work with in the rules of the corporate world to benefit themselves the most. I'm not saying that is bad or wrong I'm just saying that when dealing with people you can better influence how they will act by monitoring their incentives than by trying to argue them to your point of view.

Put into the context of this game that means you can have a greater effect on game design by insisting on certain profit motives than you can on arguing on the forums about game mechanics.

I would rather see it where CCP's main profit motive is to bring more people into the game than to sell more virtual goods to their players. In recent years CCP has moved more and more towards selling virtual goods to people for real life money. I understand that there are many games out there that do it. I understand that I can choose to play this game or not. This is a dev blog and that comment was geared towards the Devs not other players.

I am in so many words telling the Devs that if they continue to turn this game into a marketing opportunity to sell me fake **** I will find something else to do with my free time.

I'm old enough to remember when cable TV first came out. Initially I thought it was a great idea. You pay money every month to watch TV which you used to get for free but the benefit was since you payed monthly you did not have to watch commercials. A lot of people at the time liked the idea of paying so as not to watch commercials as well and cable TV grew to the point where commercial TV was being threatened to go way because so many people were willing to pay to not watch them . It was at this point that commercials started appearing on Cable TV as well as the main networks now being on cable.

I for one got sick of paying over $100 dollars per month for commercial TV and have not had a TV in my home in over 10 years now. I left WoW when they started selling virtual goods and I'm coming close to leaving this due to marketing of virtual goods to me inside a game that I pay a monthly fee to play.

If you like being marketed to in game then contiue to do so. That comment was not directed at you but at the Devs.

That may well be more of a deterrence to criminal activity than any bounty or kill rights.

I believe (I have faith!) that people will mostly be putting bounties on people that annoy them, not just random people in local.. you can be a pretty annoying forum poster but a nice person in game so you might want to place bounty on that guy

I think that if you're a nice person in general people are going to leave you alone

that said, there are of course mean people that'll suicide gank anyone, with or without bounties

but I'll also point out I'm not a game designer, I'm just a brogrammer