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Remove T2 BPOs

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Zelda Wei
New Horizon Trade Exchange
#41 - 2012-10-12 15:08:10 UTC
F'elch wrote:
Tippia wrote:
So, you have a good set of rebuttals to Akita T's points about T2 BPOs, presumably?


^^^ T2 BPO owner spotted. ^^^


Politics of envy spotted.
Hauling Hal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-10-12 16:34:45 UTC
Came expecting evidence as to why T2 BPOs should be removed.
Left disappointed.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#43 - 2012-10-12 16:38:19 UTC
Why is it always market dudes and isklords that want T2 BPO's removed? Cool

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Jhan Niber
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2012-10-12 16:38:26 UTC
Sounds like a poor person that is just unhappy that they aren't as rich as a small group of people and doesn't like that populations follow a bell curve.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#45 - 2012-10-12 16:40:29 UTC
Op is bitter for not being as rich and leet as the rest of us.

The street corner is that way ->

Take your idea with you.

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Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#46 - 2012-10-12 16:43:16 UTC
Well no new ones are getting in, you could simply destroy the bastards stupid enough to haul the rest.

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?
Suitonia
Order of the Red Kestrel
#47 - 2012-10-12 16:46:08 UTC
I doubt Tech II Blueprints have much bearing on Inventor profits anyway. Look at the margins on Heavy Interdictors, there is nothing there and in a lot of cases you will make a loss unless you build from higher ME blueprints (which cost more to begin with), building a Phobos from the BPs currently on contracts will result in a NET LOSS. Surely there should be massive profits to be had without a T2BPO pinning those inventors down!.

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Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-10-12 16:48:47 UTC
i kinda want to make a new way to make T2 BPOs to be a task that is so overwhelming that only the really big player corporations can make it happen.

slowly devaluateing the value of the existing T2 BPOs by introducing new ones to the economy
Callic Veratar
#49 - 2012-10-12 16:59:55 UTC
The burden of proof is on you to show how they are unfair, and not on CCP or the player base to defend T2 BPO existence. If you really hate them that much, they are sold on the contract market. Save your pennies, buy them, and trash them.
Spaceman Jack
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-10-12 17:08:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Spaceman Jack
F'elch wrote:
It is about time this unfair advantage was removed from the game. You've done well, you've had your profit. Now they should be removed. Give the owners some datacores or something instead.


I guess someone is voting for Obama.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The only way for you to know if having a T2 BPO was an advantage is if you had the experience of owning one and comparing the difference. Considering your sour grapes, I doubt this is the case.

I know a few people with T2 BPOs, myself included who have actually SOLD them because the margins are so low now.
You know who bought them... collectors.
Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-10-12 17:18:55 UTC
Wrayeth wrote:
I own a siege missile launcher II....erm...torpedo launcher II BPO. The profit margin and production speed on building torp II's is so low that I think I've only built something like 200 in the last two years. It's just not worth the hassle since invention came out.

So no, I don't think T2 BPOs should be removed. Personally, my torp II BPO is more of a collectors item these days than anything else, and I rather like having it.




So let me get this straight the T2 Torp BPO isnt making you the iskies you like so why would you be upset if you lost it? What if CCP just gave you a certificate saying you were once the proud owner of a T2BPO.......

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.
Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2012-10-12 17:19:56 UTC
Spaceman Jack wrote:
F'elch wrote:
It is about time this unfair advantage was removed from the game. You've done well, you've had your profit. Now they should be removed. Give the owners some datacores or something instead.


I guess someone is voting for Obama.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The only way for you to know if having a T2 BPO was an advantage is if you had the experience of owning one and comparing the difference. Considering your sour grapes, I doubt this is the case.

I know a few people with T2 BPOs, myself included who have actually SOLD them because the margins are so low now.
You know who bought them... collectors.



See above post.

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.
Reverend Cletis
Synister Mynisters
#53 - 2012-10-12 17:26:54 UTC
OP.

No.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#54 - 2012-10-12 18:08:13 UTC
I can see the arguments for and against having T2 BPOs in game. As a 2003 player I know several people Ive played with who have had t2 bpos through the lotto. Some good, others meh.


Personally I like having them in game tbh. Theyre a store of increasing value due to the fact theres a few getting blown up here and there and they dont make them anymore. For that value you get a bit of a break on costs. But anything you want to create or build in serious quantity youd still have to go the invention route simply because you cannot DO economies of scale due to the reason youll only have one of each type at best, to the richest few who hardly need more isk anyway, two or perhaps three of a single kind. With this you cant scale it well so your license to print money doesnt work as I know personally of people that can push out hundreds if not thousands of modules PER day due to alts and economies of scale through invention. Something that nets them far more isk, for much less investment, daily than a T2 BPO ever could on its own.

So yeah do they give the holder an advantage? Yes they do. One thats been paid for through playing this game the way CCP intended it, not handed to them, but through fair chance and working for the RPs or through the isk investments. As the game grows that advantage has DECREASED not increased at all for these holders again due to better economic supply and tighter margins as the game evolves and grows. So do they give an unfair advantage? Hell no, a to say anything else is ludicris.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
F'elch
Wall Street Trading
#55 - 2012-10-12 18:24:05 UTC
Well the fact that this thread has got to three pages shows that there is still interest in this subject and quite a few people are taking my line on this. Thanks to those who are willing to support an unpopular opinion. To those against the removal of T2 BPOs, your arguments that they are useless actually only helps to strengthen the argument that they should be removed.

And to those who seem to think their high post count and number of "likes" makes them some kind of authority (I'm looking at you, Tippia), I would say that your own inflated sense of importance and overconfidence in the so-called "right answer" blinkers you to the overall affect these items have on the game and the attitude of builders and traders as a whole.
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#56 - 2012-10-12 18:37:32 UTC
Gilbaron wrote:
slowly devaluateing the value of the existing T2 BPOs by introducing new ones to the economy


And in the process completely annihilate invention? That's crazy talk.

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Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#57 - 2012-10-12 18:47:04 UTC
F'elch wrote:
Everyone defending T2 BPO has one, otherwise you would want to get rid of them too. If we all speak out CCP will have to listen as it is only the few who have these items.



I'll have to check my item hangar, this is my lucky day!!

T2 BPO's are something that bugs me, because I don't own any, on any of my accounts.

Unlike you, however, instead of demanding CCP remove them so everyone has what you have (or don't have), I'm working towards buying one.

This is Eve. In Eve, some things take a long time to accomplish. Getting the isk to buy a T2 BPO is one of those things.


While you are at it, can you start a new AFK Cloaking whine thread too? Hasn't been one of those for a short while either.

Profit favors the prepared
Kale Eledar
Venerated Industries
#58 - 2012-10-12 18:49:03 UTC
Funny...I feel like I've seen this thread before
before before before before before before before *smack*
Sorry.
Seriously...just look up Akita T's responses to this issue.

First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.
F'elch
Wall Street Trading
#59 - 2012-10-12 18:50:24 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
F'elch wrote:
Everyone defending T2 BPO has one, otherwise you would want to get rid of them too. If we all speak out CCP will have to listen as it is only the few who have these items.



I'll have to check my item hangar, this is my lucky day!!

T2 BPO's are something that bugs me, because I don't own any, on any of my accounts.

Unlike you, however, instead of demanding CCP remove them so everyone has what you have (or don't have), I'm working towards buying one.

This is Eve. In Eve, some things take a long time to accomplish. Getting the isk to buy a T2 BPO is one of those things.


While you are at it, can you start a new AFK Cloaking whine thread too? Hasn't been one of those for a short while either.


Don't lecture me on how I should enjoy the fact that it takes a long time to accomplish things and I should be grateful for that. I wouldn't have been here for this long if I didn't consider that to be a virtue of the game.
F'elch
Wall Street Trading
#60 - 2012-10-12 18:51:42 UTC
Kale Eledar wrote:
Funny...I feel like I've seen this thread before
before before before before before before before *smack*
Sorry.
Seriously...just look up Akita T's responses to this issue.


See my above post on self-important forum contributors.