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Getting Rid of the Undesirables (for good this time)

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#221 - 2012-10-12 12:19:40 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
And Mr. errr... Kesh.

Yeah, my name sucks, I know. Naturally when I call for having the ability to do name changes I have an ulterior motive there.

Touval Lysander wrote:
Bite me. Lots of things I dont know, and if you were honest you'd cough for same.

Of course, but I don't habitually make statements about things that are false.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#222 - 2012-10-12 12:45:51 UTC
You are a criminal...you are now being treated as such. Quit whining. Bounty hunting will now be fun. Good job CCP. The vast majority of us will love every bit of it. Unfortunately there will be a few like those in this thread who don't like being held accountable for their criminal actions. But meh...who cares? They are criminals anyway.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#223 - 2012-10-12 12:56:11 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
You are a criminal...you are now being treated as such. Quit whining. Bounty hunting will now be fun. Good job CCP. The vast majority of us will love every bit of it. Unfortunately there will be a few like those in this thread who don't like being held accountable for their criminal actions. But meh...who cares? They are criminals anyway.

So, how do you plan on collecting these bounties?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#224 - 2012-10-12 12:57:40 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Bounty hunting will now be fun.

It won't.

Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
The vast majority of us will love every bit of it.

Nope.

Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Unfortunately there will be a few like those in this thread who don't like being held accountable for their criminal actions.

And those who would like to see bountyhunters actually be bountyhunters. Something which these changes will not promote.

Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
But meh...who cares? They are criminals anyway.

Arguing that being a bounty hunter should be done properly is being a criminal?

The more you know.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#225 - 2012-10-12 13:08:54 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Bounty hunting will now be fun.

It won't.

Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
The vast majority of us will love every bit of it.

Nope.The more you know.

Let them. Just let them. They really have no idea what's coming their way at this point.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#226 - 2012-10-12 13:10:14 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
You are a criminal...you are now being treated as such. Quit whining. Bounty hunting will now be fun. Good job CCP. The vast majority of us will love every bit of it. Unfortunately there will be a few like those in this thread who don't like being held accountable for their criminal actions. But meh...who cares? They are criminals anyway.

So, how do you plan on collecting these bounties?
By pointing my gank alts every 15 minutes until I find a target for them, so I get paid for CONCORD's hard work. Cool

Who put the goat in there?
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#227 - 2012-10-12 13:11:07 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
You are a criminal...you are now being treated as such. Quit whining. Bounty hunting will now be fun. Good job CCP. The vast majority of us will love every bit of it. Unfortunately there will be a few like those in this thread who don't like being held accountable for their criminal actions. But meh...who cares? They are criminals anyway.

So, how do you plan on collecting these bounties?

Just like I do now. Kill people in Null Sec wars.

Actually that isn't always true...I am primarily a Logi pilot so I don't get kills all that often. But when I do and there happens to be a bounty...BONUS!

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#228 - 2012-10-12 13:12:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
You are a criminal...you are now being treated as such. Quit whining. Bounty hunting will now be fun. Good job CCP. The vast majority of us will love every bit of it. Unfortunately there will be a few like those in this thread who don't like being held accountable for their criminal actions. But meh...who cares? They are criminals anyway.

So, how do you plan on collecting these bounties?

Just like I do now. Kill people in Null Sec wars.

Actually that isn't always true...I am primarily a Logi pilot so I don't get kills all that often. But when I do and there happens to be a bounty...BONUS!

Okay, no offense or anything, but I think you might be thinking about a different thing in this thread than the one we're actually discussing.

To clarify: we're not talking about the bounty changes, which are actually quite nice. We're talking about the kill rights changes. The kill rights changes have literally no bearing on any type of null pvp.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#229 - 2012-10-12 13:14:07 UTC
Saede Riordan wrote:
Go suspect in the starter system. Collect lulz?



Yeah thats going to retain new players.

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#230 - 2012-10-12 13:15:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
@ Destiny Corrupted No...but the effects of transferring kill rights won't effect me. All transferring kill rights will do is act as a bounty board of sorts. The bounty hunter doesn't have the kill rights on the guy he wants to attack to collect a bounty on. So he buys that kill right from another player who has it. THAT IS BOUNTY HUNTING! And I think it will work fine.

You are right though...we don't know what is coming our way. Neither do you. Difference is...I don't jump to the worst possible conclusion. I don't misconstrue things to be what they are not. I look at them for what they are.

These changes will not be the end of EVE. That's a fact. In my opinion they will improve EVE overall but will likely have little to no effect on me at all.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#231 - 2012-10-12 13:18:40 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
@ Destiny Corrupted No...but the effects of transferring kill rights won't effect me. All transferring kill rights will do is act as a bounty board of sorts. The bounty hunter doesn't have the kill rights on the guy he wants to attack to collect a bounty on. So he buys that kill right from another player who has it. THAT IS BOUNTY HUNTING! And I think it will work fine.

It's not really bounty hunting when the bounty hunter isn't even obligated to fire a shot.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#232 - 2012-10-12 13:20:51 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
No Malcanis, but if I ransom a pod in low-sec, they pay, and I let them go I get a penalty as though I killed the pod.

He gets kill rights.

Are you sure about this? I'd assume he'd get aggression, but not necessarily kill rights, since he hasn't actually killed the guy, just momentarily detained him.

Front-loaded. He aggressed him.

I was going to say that I didn't see how that would incur killrights, but then I saw the appropriate paragraph (which I'd somehow missed previously). You're right.

Edit for lazy people: Pointing a pod incurs the criminal flag, which is what triggers the killright.


That should be changed. Sec status hit is fine, but you really shouldn't gain kill rights in lowsec if you are not killed ffs.

Other than that, system looks really good and creates interesting new gameplay.

.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#233 - 2012-10-12 13:20:52 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
@ Destiny Corrupted No...but the effects of transferring kill rights won't effect me. All transferring kill rights will do is act as a bounty board of sorts. The bounty hunter doesn't have the kill rights on the guy he wants to attack to collect a bounty on. So he buys that kill right from another player who has it. THAT IS BOUNTY HUNTING! And I think it will work fine.

Still ignoring the whole "activate the killright, and everyone can legally shoot the guy" thing.

Somehow I'm not really surprised.

Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
I look at them for what they are.

Nope.

Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
These changes will not be the end of EVE. That's a fact. In my opinion they will improve EVE overall but will likely have little to no effect on me at all.

It won't be "the end of eve", but it's yet another slip down the slippery slope.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#234 - 2012-10-12 13:23:44 UTC
Roime wrote:
That should be changed. Sec status hit is fine, but you really shouldn't gain kill rights in lowsec if you are not killed ffs.

Other than that, system looks really good and creates interesting new gameplay.

Two things should be changed.

1) f.ex pointing a pod shouldn't automatically give someone killrights on you, you should only generate killrights if you actually kill someone.
2) whomever activates a killright should be the only one able to kill someone, legally. Or maybe let whole corps buy the rights. vOv

The rest, I think, are fine.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#235 - 2012-10-12 13:25:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Roime wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
No Malcanis, but if I ransom a pod in low-sec, they pay, and I let them go I get a penalty as though I killed the pod.

He gets kill rights.

Are you sure about this? I'd assume he'd get aggression, but not necessarily kill rights, since he hasn't actually killed the guy, just momentarily detained him.

Front-loaded. He aggressed him.

I was going to say that I didn't see how that would incur killrights, but then I saw the appropriate paragraph (which I'd somehow missed previously). You're right.

Edit for lazy people: Pointing a pod incurs the criminal flag, which is what triggers the killright.


That should be changed. Sec status hit is fine, but you really shouldn't gain kill rights in lowsec if you are not killed ffs.

Other than that, system looks really good and creates interesting new gameplay.

Hmmm...I agree on this in part. I wouldn't say a death is required but if you have someone pointed and you yourself fire a shot at that person...or someone else fires a shot at that person and you were just there "helping out"...then they should have a kill right on you. I may be misunderstanding this part a bit but if all you did was point someone and no shot was fired...then perhaps that is going too far.

Zim...there is nothing wrong with selling kill rights to someone else. I don't understand what your aversion to this is. The miner that gets killed and wants his retribution but cannot make it happen himself now has a way to do so but it isn't guaranteed. And before you say the miner should train up the skills and do it himself...no...nobody should be forced into a style of combat just because someone else plays that way.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#236 - 2012-10-12 13:31:06 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
just drawing your attention to this post in the devblog comments thread:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2034665#post2034665

Edit: thanks for replying so quickly. Maybe I didn't add what I was going to say. I might have said something more but not sure if I should be bothered now.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#237 - 2012-10-12 13:33:22 UTC
non judgement wrote:
just drawing your attention to this post in the devblog comments thread:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2034665#post2034665

The problem they have is with the fact that you can even buy a kill right. They have yet to give a reasonable explanation to why this is a bad thing but for some reason they are opposed to it. Thanks for the link though. It did have some more enlightening info in it.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#238 - 2012-10-12 13:42:07 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
non judgement wrote:
just drawing your attention to this post in the devblog comments thread:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2034665#post2034665

The problem they have is with the fact that you can even buy a kill right.

I see why you're having such a problem fathoming what the problem we have with the change: you haven't got the first clue what our position actually is.

I'll elucidate a final time: the problem we have with the transferrable killright isn't the fact we can purchase a killright. In fact, it's something bountyhunters have been asking for for a long, long time. The problem is that once that killright is activated, the guy the killright is on is flagged as a suspect, and everyone can legally shoot him, not just the guy who paid for the killright.

If CCP had actually been serious about fixing bounty hunters, they'd make it so the guy with the killright has to specifically transfer the killright to another guy, who then lay down the law for you. This way the chance for actually exploiting a killright should be minimized, if not completely removed. Opening it up to everyone, with a selectable pricetag, is just begging abuse.

Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
They have yet to give a reasonable explanation to why this is a bad thing but for some reason they are opposed to it. Thanks for the link though. It did have some more enlightening info in it.

We've told you, in detail, why we're opposed to it. You insist on ignoring these details, though.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#239 - 2012-10-12 13:46:11 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Zim...there is nothing wrong with selling kill rights to someone else. I don't understand what your aversion to this is.

Of course you don't understand what my aversion to this is, BECAUSE IT ISN'T WHAT MY AVERSION TO THIS IS.

Am I not writing in plain english? Is my font illegible? Why are you not fathoming the fact that I've no issue with the selling of killrights, but the manner in which they're sold, and more importantly what happens when they're activated?

Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
And before you say the miner should train up the skills and do it himself...no...nobody should be forced into a style of combat just because someone else plays that way.

You're going to stop posting until you read, and actually understand, what it is my opinion is on the subject, instead of making huge assumptions on what my opinion is, and write whole posts on the subject with basis in that assumption.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#240 - 2012-10-12 13:48:31 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
non judgement wrote:
just drawing your attention to this post in the devblog comments thread:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2034665#post2034665

They have yet to give a reasonable explanation to why this is a bad thing but for some reason they are opposed to it.

Because it won't help? It's open to all kinds of abuse and it actually devalues the "bounty hunting" profession.

Concise enough for you?

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.