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Remove T2 BPOs

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F'elch
Wall Street Trading
#1 - 2012-10-12 11:53:39 UTC
It is about time this unfair advantage was removed from the game. You've done well, you've had your profit. Now they should be removed. Give the owners some datacores or something instead.
Proteus Maximus
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-10-12 11:57:53 UTC
Just taking items because someone feels having them is unfair is a slippery slope.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3 - 2012-10-12 11:58:27 UTC
So, you have a good set of rebuttals to Akita T's points about T2 BPOs, presumably?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-10-12 12:03:49 UTC
T2 BPOs are a funny thing. The idea of an inventor putting years of profits into an item that will take years to pay for itself and is not necessarily guaranteed to hold its value is, well, amusing.

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F'elch
Wall Street Trading
#5 - 2012-10-12 12:06:27 UTC
Tippia wrote:
So, you have a good set of rebuttals to Akita T's points about T2 BPOs, presumably?


^^^ T2 BPO owner spotted. ^^^
Souisa
Subhypersonics
#6 - 2012-10-12 12:09:02 UTC
Why not just give everyone one. Starter kit. Hell when you get a noob ship have it contain a T2 BPO instead of 1 trit

o/
Jim Hazard
Fury Industry
#7 - 2012-10-12 12:10:49 UTC
Removing them would simply be unfair for everyone who bought them for billions and have not been able to cover the costs with profits so far.
Suitonia
Order of the Red Kestrel
#8 - 2012-10-12 12:39:15 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
F'elch wrote:
Tippia wrote:
So, you have a good set of rebuttals to Akita T's points about T2 BPOs, presumably?


^^^ T2 BPO owner spotted. ^^^


^^^ angry Inventor who doesn't do research spotted. ^^^

Because out-right removing them screws over all the players and corporations who bought those blueprints, or traded them for isk. Also, removing those T2 BPOs isn't going to make things more lucrative for inventors as you might think. Look at the profit margins on inventing and building Heavy Interdictors for example (Which don't have a T2 BPO) . Surely there are massive profits to be had without a T2 BPO producer to compete with? Right...? Right???


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Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-10-12 12:41:17 UTC
Came expecting Brewlar Kuvakei

left confused

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S'Way
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-10-12 12:42:56 UTC  |  Edited by: S'Way
This topic comes up every few weeks / months, was wondering when it would appear again.

Most T2 BPO's aren't even in the hands of the original owners anymore, anyone buying one now will take a very long time (years) to re-coup that outlay and start making a decent profit.
Removing them now is kind of pointless, those who got them from the BP lottery era have probably cashed in by selling them on. The majority of owners now have thrown a few billion into one, good luck to them - should CCP see fit to introduce new modules, that costly BPO could be rendered almost worthless. (and if that happens before the break-even time for the holder, they'll actually take a loss overall).

Do they give an advantage over invention ? sure. Are they game breaking ? no.
Even with a T2 BPO sat copying 24/7 you can't supply the markets full demand for items, there's plenty of room for inventors to still make a good income if they know what they're doing.
RaTTuS
BIG
#11 - 2012-10-12 12:46:32 UTC
S'Way wrote:
This topic comes up every few weeks / months, was wondering when it would appear again.

Most T2 BPO's aren't even in the hands of the original owners anymore, anyone buying one now will take a very long time (years) to re-coup that outlay and start making a decent profit.
Removing them now is kind of pointless, those who got them from the BP lottery era have probably cashed in by selling them on. The majority of owners now have thrown a few billion into one, good luck to them - should CCP see fit to introduce new modules, that costly BPO could be rendered almost worthless. (and if that happens before the break-even time for the holder, they'll actually take a loss overall).

Do they give an advantage over invention ? sure. Are they game breaking ? no.
Even with a T2 BPO sat copying 24/7 you can't supply the markets full demand for items, there's plenty of room for inventors to still make a good income if they know what they're doing.

they take longer to copy than to build - it's always been the case
invention is far more profitable
run the figures
t2 BPo is just easier on the clicking

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F'elch
Wall Street Trading
#12 - 2012-10-12 12:49:36 UTC
RaTTuS wrote:
S'Way wrote:
This topic comes up every few weeks / months, was wondering when it would appear again.

Most T2 BPO's aren't even in the hands of the original owners anymore, anyone buying one now will take a very long time (years) to re-coup that outlay and start making a decent profit.
Removing them now is kind of pointless, those who got them from the BP lottery era have probably cashed in by selling them on. The majority of owners now have thrown a few billion into one, good luck to them - should CCP see fit to introduce new modules, that costly BPO could be rendered almost worthless. (and if that happens before the break-even time for the holder, they'll actually take a loss overall).

Do they give an advantage over invention ? sure. Are they game breaking ? no.
Even with a T2 BPO sat copying 24/7 you can't supply the markets full demand for items, there's plenty of room for inventors to still make a good income if they know what they're doing.

they take longer to copy than to build - it's always been the case
invention is far more profitable
run the figures
t2 BPo is just easier on the clicking


Yeah and it never fails, unlike invention. And the supply is unlimited. Everyone defending T2 BPO has one, otherwise you would want to get rid of them too. If we all speak out CCP will have to listen as it is only the few who have these items.
S'Way
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-10-12 12:58:51 UTC
RaTTuS wrote:

they take longer to copy than to build - it's always been the case
invention is far more profitable
run the figures
t2 BPo is just easier on the clicking

I can quite believe that's true. (cashed in long ago on those things the bp lotto gave us to stick to the part of EvE I enjoy - buying / selling, it's less of a headache than getting into building). Lol
Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-10-12 13:03:01 UTC
Is it fair to new players who have joined the game after the lottery.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-10-12 13:04:28 UTC
I have a better idea. Introduce T3 modules and munitions. Don't make BPO's for them.

Solved that problem quick...

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Lord Ryan
True Xero
#16 - 2012-10-12 13:06:34 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Is it fair to new players who have joined the game after the lottery.



Lottery? I thought they were passed out to friends. Anyways I have a friend who spent years buying and collecting them. I don't think it's fair to him to lose all his work. Anymore than it would be fair for CCP to remove my or your assets or empty our wallet.

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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#17 - 2012-10-12 13:08:01 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
Hi everyone,

I've cleaned up this thread a little bit - please stay on topic and post constructively!

Thanks and fly safe.

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Sarmea Moon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-10-12 13:08:20 UTC
F'elch wrote:
It is about time this unfair advantage was removed from the game. You've done well, you've had your profit. Now they should be removed. Give the owners some datacores or something instead.




Try harder. This is like "WoW was the first MMO" level of trolling. At least the schmuck in the the OP of the "only huge alliances should be allowed to build frigates" put some thought into his troll.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#19 - 2012-10-12 13:08:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
F'elch wrote:
Tippia wrote:
So, you have a good set of rebuttals to Akita T's points about T2 BPOs, presumably?


^^^ T2 BPC owner spotted. ^^^
^^^ Person without any resemblance of an argument for his case spotted. ^^^

Also, FYP.

Quote:
Everyone defending T2 BPO has one, otherwise you would want to get rid of them too.
No. Everyone defending them have done the maths and realised that there is no need and no reason to get rid of them. In fact, as weak an argument as it might be, keeping them around as memorabilia is a far stronger argument than any that exist for their removal.
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#20 - 2012-10-12 13:10:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
Edit: Removed discussion of moderation, please read my post above. ISD Suvetar

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