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Harpy or Hawk vs Cynabal

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Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-10-11 14:13:34 UTC
Which would be better?

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.

Ravnik
Infinate Horizon
#2 - 2012-10-11 14:19:21 UTC
Cynabal.

The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly..........

Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-10-11 14:24:06 UTC
Ravnik wrote:
Cynabal.



LOL no sh!t I was asking HAWK or HARPY...... if you had too.

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.

Ravnik
Infinate Horizon
#4 - 2012-10-11 14:28:30 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Ravnik wrote:
Cynabal.



LOL no sh!t I was asking HAWK or HARPY...... if you had too.


i know, im sorry, i still only have humour to lvl 3. (its in the social skills)

Will let a Hawk or Harpy pilot give you an honest answer, ive stayed away from them P

The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly..........

Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#5 - 2012-10-11 15:20:55 UTC
CONDOR!
http://qcats.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14346851

Well tbh whatever has a td , scram and a nos to keep your **** running

nom nom

SaltyandSweet
Oblivion Watch
HYDRA RELOADED
#6 - 2012-10-11 17:24:59 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
CONDOR!
http://qcats.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14346851

Well tbh whatever has a td , scram and a nos to keep your **** running

nexxala is a cynabal queen, listen to this advice =]

Im So Baller I Buy Plex Cuz im too lazy to do PVE!

Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-10-11 19:37:53 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
CONDOR!
http://qcats.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14346851

Well tbh whatever has a td , scram and a nos to keep your **** running



td? Really a condor can beat a cynabal?

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.

Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-10-11 20:12:33 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:
td? Really a condor can beat a cynabal?


Yes. Actually ANYTHING can beat ANYTHING if you can outsmart your opponent.

Since 96% of the players in this game are pants on head ********, this shouldn't be an overly difficult feat.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#9 - 2012-10-12 00:46:14 UTC
Fighting a reasonably well fit Cynabaal flown by a remotely competent in any kind of frigate isn't likely to end well. I'd probably go with a harpy though.
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#10 - 2012-10-12 09:53:53 UTC
When fighting cynabal, always assume you have to deal with following things:

A) medium neut
B) dual prop
C) flight of ecm drones

Hawk has no-cap guns and rockets kill drones more effectively than guns. Blaster harpy certainly kills cynabal faster than rockets but is more at risk with A & C. Of course sometimes you just run into some lol-fit with illusions of grandeur but those are a minority.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#11 - 2012-10-12 10:42:31 UTC
You can kill a Cynabal with a Frigate only with very much luck.

  1. You have to land on him on 0 and get a scram before he gains range. Thats a really though issue and usually is just pure gambling.
  2. You have to deal with the neutralizer while keeping him in scram range, so a NOS is a must have. You still need to pray that your scram doesn't shutdown because cycle ends exectly at that moment where he as neutralized you and your NOS cycle is still running.
  3. You need to survive and kill his drones and avoid getting damage from his AC. So an afterburner and some tank are a must have too.

If you have mastered all these points, then you can finally take care and kill the cynabal.
Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-10-12 12:40:51 UTC
Thank you for the excellent feedback! So in others words you need to be on your game to down that cynabal. What ships are effective against cynabals inregards to solo pvp?

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.

feihcsiM
THE B0YS
#13 - 2012-10-12 16:22:13 UTC
Cynas are pretty good at murdering frigs. If I was taking it down I'd probably bring friends.
Failing that a faction web rail daredevil would be your best bet I would think

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

Ayuren Aakiwa
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#14 - 2012-10-13 00:50:40 UTC
your probably better off with a crow
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#15 - 2012-10-13 21:13:38 UTC
Both ships are good in certain circumstances.

A Hawk has less cap to worry about, if you are running duel ASB fit it is going to be hard to manage tank, kill drones and keep under the guns all while managing the tackle since you will be getting neuted. It has much less buffer over all so actually catching the Cynabal might be the problem.

However it has capless weapons that can down drones pretty fast, it can consistently DPS the Cynabal however due to resists on the Cynabal you will be hitting a half decent resist with already medicore DPS.

The problem persists like this:

Rockets = best frig v frig weapon due to no tracking and capless, epic range. However due to over all low DPS vs larger targets it starts to feel really weak and not as hard hitting. This where blasters come in but also come with their problems.

Harpy has more cap to worry about, it needs cap to fire and hold tackle. You will find yourself smashing your guns and scram a lot just to keep them active.

Benefits being once you are under the guns you have less micro management to deal with in terms of tank presuming you are buffer fit.

You will however have substantially higher dps compared to a Hawk and you are hitting a hole in his resist with half your DPS.

Both ships fall into the same problematic area:

Both are relatively slow, slower than a Cynabal actually. Meaning unless you start @ 0 you are going to take a WHOLE lot of damage on the approach as an angled approach is just not an option. Howvever a sling is possible but you overshoot and get capped out at 7km, goodbye ship.

Both have quite decent sensor strenght, around 17 if I remember so ECM drones are not a MAJOR threat in theory but hey ho, :CCP: and there leet game design says differently in the real scenario.

tl;dr

High micro management , needs time to kill, better cap= Hawk
Less micro management, kill it faster, worse cap = Harpy
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#16 - 2012-10-13 23:01:20 UTC
Hawk, missiles can't be neuted.
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-10-14 01:00:37 UTC
Guess it was just a troll's question?
Red zeon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-10-15 22:14:43 UTC
well it will be hard because he can neut you, and will most probably have ecm drones, and when they jam, he will be able to burn away enough so he can track you.

if its proper fitted and competent pilot, you will most probably fail with both.

tho i would try with ABharpy with vamp and asb, take out the drones, and get a good orbit and u will come out winning unless he gets reinforcements.

that way i have killed couple properly fitted canes with my harpy
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#19 - 2012-10-16 02:39:31 UTC
Red zeon wrote:
that way i have killed couple properly fitted canes with my harpy


Doesnt properly fitted cane pack two medium neuts, leaving you pretty much dead in the water anyway, nos or no nos.
psycho freak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-10-16 07:42:11 UTC
To op

good luck

my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k

nop cant find it

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