EVE General Discussion

Yes I remember that, goons were hell fun back then, we followed their exploits against the opressive mega alliance with much joy

Now sadly, they seem to have replaced said alliance....... oh well that's progress I suppose....

Unforunately when one alliance gets too big it depletes the opportunities for the rest of the game population, which as someone said above, causes all the kids to huddle in one small corner of the sandpit.

I remember that, too. I cheered for the Goons, because they were a fresh element. Creative, disruptive and anti-establishment.
Establishment being BoB at the time.

Now the Goons are the Establishment. Probably more boring than being rebels. And their ranks swell with "easy ISK" guys.

If logistics everywhere is harder (not just null sec, dear neck beard Weaselior), how will you just travel out from Torrinos to defend your tech moons? If nobody lives in null sec, where are the ships coming from to attack your infrastructure?

You do realize you're not even responding to what you're quoting, right?

I'll give you one more chance to read back on the line of conversation to see if you can pick it up, and if not, then I'm just going to ignore you.

Good luck.

That's only partially correct and nor is it for the reasons you think.

My ideal is that PvP be restricted in highsec because( imho) it would provide incentive for the conflicts to move into more remote areas - i.e. lowsec/WH's and 0.0 instead of being safely ensconced in highsec with easy supply and convenience.

Protecting miners etc. is such a non-issue because most of the isk generation in highsec is already done in relative safety. A few skirmishes here and there does not affect the economy at all. Even Hulkageddon at its height only made small movements in a limited number of commodities.

Even "the ice show" being run has only had an impact on a very narrow range of commodities and would need to be run for a long, long time to be any kind of serious impact. Suicide ganking has to be so prolonged and so effective to impact the economy that it simply can't happen.

So ditching the acceptance of highsec ganking (less cheap targets) in the search for better alternatives to promote PvP (more likely targets elsewhere).

It's all ass about. People are pushing to move the Carebears out - they ain't going anywhere (or they'll quit). I'm suggesting we look at ways to get the "PvP'ers" out - with the right incentive.

They already "have a pair" as it were and are MORE LIKELY to respond to changes than CCP trying to move relcalcitrant carebears.

If there's even less reasons for PvP'ers to stay in highsec and more reason to move out, that's a good thing right?

if you make it so you can't stock torrinos, a highsec non-island system eve is completely dead not just 0.0

Yeah, and you failed. Please return when you can properly follow a chain of conversation.

No... Perhaps I will when you argue in a way simple man like me can understand.
It might be when you take that bathing cap of your head that grants you godly powers of conversation.

There really is little reason to deal with sov except supercapital construction. Every security class besides wormholes needs some reason to claim it in some degree and defend/maintain/upgrade/interact/idk with that space. Weasilor is right that "more money" or "less money" is less than half the problem. There needs to be increasing rewards for coordination and competition as you and your organization transition from hisec to lowsec to nullsec. I can see glimpses of ideas, which is what CCP did with Dominion: just lay the groundwork. Unfortunately they have never followed up with the fundamental game mechanics that reward coordinating and competing over space. I can't say I blame them, as it is obviously not easy, but it's also the core of the gd game, and they need to figure it out above all else.


...or just turn it into WHs online. I could live with that.

High sec wars are dumb, drab, and usually fought using nothing but cheap tactics/neutral alts. They should nerf it into something far less gay.

There's always been attempted incentives to get people out to null. How is this new? Hell look at the latest winter patch dev blog. I hope they do find a way for solo'ers and small corps to find something to do out in null without needing to be apart of some huge alliance full of anal retentive neck beards with god complexes.