EVE General Discussion

Never accused them of 'fraud'.
Its hardly illegal for CCP to

1. Create ISK
2. Buy PLEX
3. Trash PLEX.

Perhaps a bit morally corrupt....but certainly no laws were broken.

I also stated that

A) I can't prove anything because I don't have access to those kinds of records.
B) if I did manage to prove it, I'd be banned for illegally gaining access to company databases. Convenient for CCP, yes?

the FED does this all the time


1. create money from thin air
2. bailout the banks/bad depts/AAA junk
3 trash the economy

legal..maby, morally right...no
given ccp is from iceland they learned the hard way not to do this :)

so no i dont think CCP is doing this, it more that CCP left some holes open to long whereby people could amass a looot of isk and people buying plex for it becuase once you get all the isk you ever want plex is a good investment(like gold in RL)

It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you(r money).

interesting idea....can be done, but i dont think so....it would be counter-productive for CCP because expensive PLEX --> too expensive for new players to get --> no new players --> dead eve...

I believe this is only temporary if it were the case, the PLEX bubble will pop and prices will come crashing back down as it comes to the point where people will simply go inactive rather than buy plex.

Is this a plea for more people to buy PLEX with cash?

Where is Sally Struthers?

Maybe its CCP flying those ships full of plexes! :tinfoil:

When I started playing, 90 day GTCs could be bought for 180M ISK or so. Over the years my ISK-earning power has increased. The same amount of effort is required for me to make 600M ISK a month now as was required to make 60M ISK a month back then. I've learned more about the game, I've skilled up into more powerful ships, with more powerful weapons. I've learned how to trade. I've learned how to manufacture. I've learned that sometimes it is profitable to mine, and when it is, the miner has to be choosy about what to mine.

Over that period of time there will no doubt have been other pilots in a similar situation to me: their income earning potential has increased. For a significant portion, their ability will be better than mine: I'm only a 95th percentile performer, which means that there are fully 5% of the population of the planet smarter than me. Remembering that EVE Players are to Geeks what Geeks are to normal people, and remembering that EVE accounts for a very small portion of the population, it's reasonable to expect that in terms of EVE players, I'm probably a 50th percentile or lower.

So while I am comfortably making my 600M ISK a month plodding around being a hisec carebear, some of those people who are smarter than me are probably chuckling at my ability to work really hard to earn what amounts to a rounding error in their wallets.

What's my point? Simply that the inflation of PLEX prices over four years since they were introduced is very easily explained by the fact that pilots gain significant ISK-earning potential in four years, as do the players. So once again, your Conspiracy Theory has to acknowledge Occam's Razor and just quietly die in a corner.

As to the allegations: you are alleging that CCP is purposefully inflating the PLEX market for material gain. In the past, CCP have expressed concern about the PLEX market "getting out of control" or exceeding some parameters that they had set, and decided that they could use the 10k confiscated PLEX to manipulate the market if required. Keep in mind that Dr Eyjo has told us on many occasions that the economy is a delicate thing that is easily thrown off balance. The good doctor has also told us that there are too many ISK faucets and not enough sinks.

Now let's look at what you allege: CCP is injecting ISK into the game, buying up PLEX from the market, and then purposefully destroying those PLEX. Why would they do this? What would be their motivations for shooting themselves in the foot in such a way? Why would they inject more ISK into an economy which already has so much ISK being injected that CCP are talking about sinking more ISK out of it?

Why would CCP go to the effort of blowing up PLEX, when players are already doing enough of that on their own? Again, Occam's Razor comes into play. The vorpal blade goes snicker-snack and there goes Occam, galumphing off with the head of your now lifeless allegation, leaving your conspiracy theory friendless and alone in the forest.

No, your allegations that CCP are foolish enough to expend effort duplicating what work the players are already doing in more than sufficient quantity, simply do not pass the simplest of examinations.

Your logic is demonstrative of the stupidity of the general masses. He doesn't have to proof they arn't you fool. You have the burden of proof. You need to prove that they are, which you can't. End of discussion, waste of time thread, next.

Besides, proving something ISN'T is very close to impossible from a Scientific perspective..

Get a life!