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This could already happen, if the noob miner had a fleet defending him.

So as far as I understand, anyone can now be griefed through the new bounty system?

This is looking more awesome the more I read about it.

Couple little things:

I assume a mail will go out to the person who placed the bounty that this has happened.


I assume people who have been unsubscribed will be removed from the most wanted list. (should be automatic since being unsubscribed will remove the bounty pool anyway, but you never know what devs manage to overlook ;))


This was a rather big letdown though, but at least it will be possible to gain some isk due to bounty being awarded at ship destruction now instead of podding (which is next to impossible to achieve solo anyway).

I do hope that there are no ship insurance trickeries available that would make it worthwhile to the bounty person to keep destroying his own ships..

Ganking now has consequences. That's awesome.

But balance it. Re-introduce Insurance payouts for CONCORDed ships.

This means it's less expensive to suicide gank (therefore more of them). BUT, you can be counterganked due to kill rights.
(It also buffs the Skiff, because a Mack survives against Desties easily, but Tier 3s will need a Skiff).

Result: actions have consequences. But all play styles are supported.

The Gankers point is that CCP's recent changes are making Suicide Ganking almost impossible. It's a play style that is part of EVE and needs to be balanced as part of the whole ecology of EVE.

Yeah, cause that'll happen.
You can bet that a very large number of players will sell their killrights for free or for very cheap just for the possibility of getting revenge on the guy who killed them. This of course leads the system open to being easily exploited.


Except that to be -5 you have to commit a whole lot more criminal acts and even then you can easily avoid this mechanic by simple ratting. A single criminal act in highsec or a single podkill in lowsec allows the victim to place the killright on sale, at which point anybody can activate your suspect timer.
I don't know how you can honestly stand here and say this isn't a huge deterrent to criminal activity in highsec.


I'm not so sure that's the case.

I realize asking you not to use strawmen is probably asking a bit much, but please try anyway.
I'm not against an increase in risk for gankers or criminals. I'm against a decrease in risk for miners, mission runners, incursion runners, freighter alts, and the like. That's what this mechanic accomplishes, albeit indirectly.

The CCP insurance company should also double to the bounty placed by player, to make it more attractive. And make the person who has bounty on him trackable, so if he moves true high sec gates. This way other palyers could see hes last moves in high sec find him more easily.

Yes, because that's how the system works. It's not something that has to happen — those are the mechanics.

How players choose to employ those mechanics is just the game being played. If player choose to create that “problem” for themselves, then that's their choice. They can also choose not to. The “fix” exists if you want it. If you don't want it, then there's nothing to complain about.

By looking at how easy it is to work around and by looking at the added incentives. Oh, and by the fact that people manage to live under worse circumstances.

Seeing as how bonties have no effect on the rules (which prohibit “griefing someone out of the game”) nor on the ability to constantly attack peole (since it doesn't change the aggression rules in an way), it will have the exact same effect on griefing people out of the game as the current bounty system does, simply because the current bounty system does the exact same things in that regard.

Most of this sound really good. I've actually been waiting for these changes since I started playing this game. In general is sounds like a huge step in the right direction.

However eliminating all current bounties seems like a very poor decision. People paid those amounts out of their wallets and now you guys are just going to steal that isk from the game? And I don't use the word steal lightly here. You guys sell PLEX for real life money and the isk made from selling that PLEX can be used for anything in game including placing bounties. When isk is removed from the game it reduces the total isk pool and therefore has an upward effect on prices. Meaning more PLEXs have to be purchased to buy the same stuff. So that aspect of this change seems very shady at best and bordering on criminal.

As far as the bounty only paying out 20% of the ship value I'm not sure why you went so low? I mean anything below full payout will prevent players from cashing in on their own bounties with alts. What the 20% does is make it so that no matter how big of a bounty you put on someone it will almost never be cost effective to gank someone for their bounty. In low sec and null sec the people that like to shoot at other people do, up till now the people that don't like to shoot at other people had no way to deal with this. It would seem bounties should be something to balance things.

what I mean is someone running around low or null sec is likely to get shot at by the people that will shoot at them and not by those that won't and a bounty likely won't change that. I doubt a bounty would make someone shoot at a "blue" and not having a bounty will not stop someone from shooting at a "red" or "neut".

To me it would seem that they way bounties can bring some balance is when someone can put a bounty high enough on a player to make them afraid to travel without much caution in high sec. I realize that the transferable kill rights is intended to help with that but what if you want to put a bounty on someone that has never killed another player like a jita scammer for example.

Again aside from stealing the current bounties most of these changes seem like a real good start but I think there is room between what you proposed and ideal.