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Getting Rid of the Undesirables (for good this time)

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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#161 - 2012-10-12 06:11:56 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I'm not into attacking people, so I'll just give him a more or less objective answer:

Insurance payouts when CONCORD is involved were removed after a pretty hefty campaign by carebears during a regular anti-barge campaign in-game. It was CCP's direct response to the "problem."

We (gankers, pvpers) weren't against the nerf per se, but we cautioned CCP that passing a nerf like that would set a precedent for other anti-gank and anti-pvp changes to follow.

We were right.

Not too long after the insurance nerf, CONCORD was readjusted. Furthermore, we just recently got massive barge buffs. Now, Crimewatch 2.0

This is not to say that the insurance nerf was the first anti-gank nerf. Prior to that, the game saw the introduction of CONCORD, and its subsequent buffing, which happened three times. Furthermore, security status losses were buffed, and gains were nerfed at least twice, though they apparently did retract one of those nerfs.

Right. Got you. That's why I put "whoa......" in my previous response.

I went away for many months. Was unaware of the more serious nerf AFTER the SD payout issue. I was very vocal (on an alt) for that change so good to see it came about.

Getting paid out by NPC for killing someone was a bit silly really.

And errr..... on "attacking people" - "dickhead" is a derogatory term used in jest in Australia to mean stupid - if it's deemed offensive and taken out the context it's being used in - I'll be pulled up on it.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#162 - 2012-10-12 06:16:56 UTC
Just so you know, the SD insurance nerf happened as a result of the CONCORD nerf, because people were still getting insurance when ganking by timing their self-destructions. The market thing was just a cover. Insurance prices followed [a] mineral index for a while, so collecting on a spread hasn't been a concern for a few years now. Even when it was possible, the spread was tiny, maybe 1-2 million per battleship at best.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
captain foivos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#163 - 2012-10-12 06:23:32 UTC
Just an FYI to CCP, if you make killrights purchasable for ISK we're going to undock in shuttles and use an alt to get rid of the killright.

Not only is the end result stupid ("Hurr! Everyone can shoot at me if they want!"), but the mechanic from which it is achieved is easily manipulated.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#164 - 2012-10-12 06:26:14 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Just so you know, the SD insurance nerf happened as a result of the CONCORD nerf, because people were still getting insurance when ganking by timing their self-destructions. The market thing was just a cover. Insurance prices followed [a] mineral index for a while, so collecting on a spread hasn't been a concern for a few years now. Even when it was possible, the spread was tiny, maybe 1-2 million per battleship at best.

Huh, insurance payouts were decreased considerably what , 18 months ago (or even more?) - Long before MinerGate.

At least I thought there was. Used to build and SD and got paid above market sell price.


And Mr. errr... Kesh. Bite me. Lots of things I dont know, and if you were honest you'd cough for same.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#165 - 2012-10-12 06:26:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
captain foivos wrote:
Just an FYI to CCP, if you make killrights purchasable for ISK we're going to undock in shuttles and use an alt to get rid of the killright.

Not only is the end result stupid ("Hurr! Everyone can shoot at me if they want!"), but the mechanic from which it is achieved is easily manipulated.

Collecting your own bounty at the same time.

Defeating both systems for the price of one. Cool

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
captain foivos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#166 - 2012-10-12 06:27:05 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Lots of things I dont know


yeah we noticed this

please continue posting as an expert
captain foivos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#167 - 2012-10-12 06:27:55 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
captain foivos wrote:
Just an FYI to CCP, if you make killrights purchasable for ISK we're going to undock in shuttles and use an alt to get rid of the killright.

Not only is the end result stupid ("Hurr! Everyone can shoot at me if they want!"), but the mechanic from which it is achieved is easily manipulated.

Collecting your own bounty at the same time.

Defeating both systems.


I don't see a way to go around the premise that the system was designed around; I.E. you can't collect more in bounty money than you lose.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#168 - 2012-10-12 06:28:06 UTC
captain foivos wrote:
Just an FYI to CCP, if you make killrights purchasable for ISK we're going to undock in shuttles and use an alt to get rid of the killright.

Not only is the end result stupid ("Hurr! Everyone can shoot at me if they want!"), but the mechanic from which it is achieved is easily manipulated.

Isn't the value of the ship you're in calculated in this? If it isn't, it will be now Twisted

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#169 - 2012-10-12 06:28:15 UTC
captain foivos wrote:
Just an FYI to CCP, if you make killrights purchasable for ISK we're going to undock in shuttles and use an alt to get rid of the killright.

Not only is the end result stupid ("Hurr! Everyone can shoot at me if they want!"), but the mechanic from which it is achieved is easily manipulated.

And the most hilarious part of this whole ordeal is that the only people who will suffer from this ridiculous kill rights idea are gankers using disposable destroyer alts (lol?) and noobies who accidentally fire on other players. Every once in a while a player like myself will be affected after acquiring kill rights from a suicide-gank contract. I guess I'll just be forced to eat a loss on my killboard and take out a T1 frig with an alt or something. Derp.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#170 - 2012-10-12 06:29:53 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
captain foivos wrote:
Just an FYI to CCP, if you make killrights purchasable for ISK we're going to undock in shuttles and use an alt to get rid of the killright.

Not only is the end result stupid ("Hurr! Everyone can shoot at me if they want!"), but the mechanic from which it is achieved is easily manipulated.

Isn't the value of the ship you're in calculated in this? If it isn't, it will be now Twisted

We wouldn't be looking to make money (or even break even) on the bounty. We'd be doing it just to get rid of the kill rights.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#171 - 2012-10-12 06:31:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
captain foivos wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
captain foivos wrote:
Just an FYI to CCP, if you make killrights purchasable for ISK we're going to undock in shuttles and use an alt to get rid of the killright.

Not only is the end result stupid ("Hurr! Everyone can shoot at me if they want!"), but the mechanic from which it is achieved is easily manipulated.

Collecting your own bounty at the same time.

Defeating both systems.


I don't see a way to go around the premise that the system was designed around; I.E. you can't collect more in bounty money than you lose.

Here's how I envision it, anyway:

You make somebody explode in an illegal way and they get kill rights.

You dock up, wait your 15, and then buy the rights for whatever they're up for. Doesn't matter. With your alt.

Because people hate you and everyone you fly with, there's a bounty on your alliance and corporation.

Not to mention any personal bounty.

You off yourself in a half-way reasonably decent ship.

You collect a bunch of money from people trying ineptly to get other people to grief you for them by proxy.

And end the kill rights in the process.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#172 - 2012-10-12 06:32:39 UTC
captain foivos wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Lots of things I dont know


yeah we noticed this

please continue posting as an expert

+1

Only decent thing I've ever heard you say.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
captain foivos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#173 - 2012-10-12 06:34:51 UTC
For anyone stupid enough to believe that posting bounties on say, Goonswarm Federation, will work, and "bounty hunters" will magically appear to hunt down those evil goonies for the benefit of the universe, as soon as a major fleet fight happens all that bounty money is going to magically disappear.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#174 - 2012-10-12 06:39:17 UTC
captain foivos wrote:
For anyone stupid enough to believe that posting bounties on say, Goonswarm Federation, will work, and "bounty hunters" will magically appear to hunt down those evil goonies for the benefit of the universe, as soon as a major fleet fight happens all that bounty money is going to magically disappear.

Especially if we get blueballed TBFH.

I mean let's be real, bountyswapping sounds like hilarious sport after a night of blueballin'. Twisted

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#175 - 2012-10-12 07:35:42 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
captain foivos wrote:
For anyone stupid enough to believe that posting bounties on say, Goonswarm Federation, will work, and "bounty hunters" will magically appear to hunt down those evil goonies for the benefit of the universe, as soon as a major fleet fight happens all that bounty money is going to magically disappear.

Especially if we get blueballed TBFH.

I mean let's be real, bountyswapping sounds like hilarious sport after a night of blueballin'. Twisted

I don't want to know what sort of "bounty" will be "swapped" after a night of "blueballin'".

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#176 - 2012-10-12 07:42:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Lord Zim wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
captain foivos wrote:
For anyone stupid enough to believe that posting bounties on say, Goonswarm Federation, will work, and "bounty hunters" will magically appear to hunt down those evil goonies for the benefit of the universe, as soon as a major fleet fight happens all that bounty money is going to magically disappear.

Especially if we get blueballed TBFH.

I mean let's be real, bountyswapping sounds like hilarious sport after a night of blueballin'. Twisted

I don't want to know what sort of "bounty" will be "swapped" after a night of "blueballin'".

Ahem.

What I meant to say was we'd have a thunderdome.

Possibly accompanied by a conga line by those without bounties.

Alternatively, Boat can put bounties on pilots without bounties so they have some bounties with their bounties.

We might want to ship into ships with bounties for the thunderdome, too. That way we can have some bounties with our bounties and our alliance bounties and our corps' bounties too.

Yep, that's what I meant alright!

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#177 - 2012-10-12 08:12:10 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Those are the costs of doing business, you chose to be in that particular line of business and costs just went up.

So losing your ship once is cost of doing business, but losing it twice is consequence? What would the third time be called?



Just awesome Lol

Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#178 - 2012-10-12 08:13:53 UTC
Rats wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Those are the costs of doing business, you chose to be in that particular line of business and costs just went up.

So losing your ship once is cost of doing business, but losing it twice is consequence? What would the third time be called?



Just awesome Lol

Tal



and I'm back, I would just like to thank Rats for standing in for me while I have been on cough "holiday" cough Lol

Tal
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#179 - 2012-10-12 08:14:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Rats wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Those are the costs of doing business, you chose to be in that particular line of business and costs just went up.

So losing your ship once is cost of doing business, but losing it twice is consequence? What would the third time be called?



Just awesome Lol

Tal


Or if you want to read my post above Tal's, it's called the bonus round. Also known as leftovers. Or the elimination round.

As you like, it's still going to be ours in quadruplicate. Cool

Alliance
Corp
Individual
Ship

Gee, thanks.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#180 - 2012-10-12 08:18:35 UTC
Rats wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Those are the costs of doing business, you chose to be in that particular line of business and costs just went up.

So losing your ship once is cost of doing business, but losing it twice is consequence? What would the third time be called?

Just awesome Lol

Tal

Actually, what the second time should be called is "CCP taking yet another step towards kitty online", and I'm sure CCP'll take yet another step if (when) hisec pubbies keep on whining because they're still getting ganked.

Because heaven forbid people should die in hisec.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat