EVE General Discussion

I don't understand what you're getting at. Please elaborate.

This is very poorly thought out statement. The only ganker that would be impacted like this is the guy that only flies a single toon with no alts. For a player like that this will be a massive deterrent. But even he can get around this if he operates in a corp with like minded people.

Correct. I did 0.0 pvp from 2004 until 2009, and I've had my fill of that style of gameplay. For me, there is nothing interesting or exciting about it. Yes, that is an opinion.

I do want to pvp in high-sec. I don't suicide-gank much, because nowadays I only do it as part of mercenary contracts. I used to gank a lot of haulers, but haven't been into that lately, probably due to not needing ISK all that much.

I am not against kill rights. I am not against them being transferable, so that a victim, no matter how guilty or innocent he is, can still pass them off to somebody else, so that new person can go after me and make his collection. I am against kill rights being a simple suspect flag toggle switch on the target.

You're trying to compare high-sec to null, in the sense that everyone is free game in null. Well, null doesn't have CONCORD. Null doesn't have faction police. Null doesn't have sentry guns. Null doesn't have a lack of GCC insurance.

When I commit a crime in high-sec, I get punished by losing my ship, losing my standings, and giving my victim a means for revenge. What the new kill rights system will do is eliminate almost all crime by non-disposable characters by making the penalty too severe.

I'm not against being shot. I'm not even against being the handicapped party in an unfair engagement. But being flagged to everyone for a whole month is absolutely absurd.

Collecting kill rights via an alt aside, are you really that thick to call me a coward for not being willing to fight every single player in the universe at the same time?

Or I can just make it free and keep it going 23.75/7, 30 days straight. That person will never undock, or be forced to leave high-sec for a month. Prison, banishment, either one works to describe the intent.

That is an option as well operate in low sec for that month make them come to you.

Good information. Thanks.

Everybody is forgetting that kill rights are only generated if the target does not fire back.

I'm obviously reading it wrong. I thought once the killright had been "handled" the matter was ended - valid up to a month?

Never called you a coward but if you do have to fight "everybody" well, that would have been YOUR choice would it not?

For once, actions taken in highsec will need to be considered more carefully. Just blasting away without making sure the reward is worth it, is gonna be, you know... risky...

And for all the moaning and groaning, it is only highsec affected here. ALL other sectors are as good as immune to being a "good boy".

Those calling Eve for being cold and harsh (which it should be) make it sound like it only relates to the ability to suicide gank.

It's still gonna be cold. It's still gonna be dark. It's still gonna be harsh.

What changes is dickheads are going to have to think before they act. Where's the problem?

The kill right is valid as long as it has not been exhausted. If it is activated but the perp doesn't die, it can be activated again. There's no limit on activations.


If you think that people who suicide-gank are "dickheads," then there's really not much I can discuss with you. I am starting to wonder whether or not you're one of those "he's bad in a game so he must be bad in real life as well" people.

From the devblog

The amount paid out from the bounty pool upon a kill is now based on the ISK loss inflicted on the target. This is similar to the system used in FW for calculating LP payout, i.e. finding a Total Loss value based on the value of items lost (plus some insurance calculation finagling). We’re making this system a bit more robust and harder to manipulate, but we’re not telling you how ;)

And all I could think of was, "Thats ok CCP, some enterprising player will figure it out and think of a way to rort the system for billions in an effective demonstration that you're not as clever as you thought you were"

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