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CCP should inject PLEX

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Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#1 - 2012-10-12 01:19:41 UTC
CCP should inject PLEX at a fixed price to knock the price down [and decrease the amount of ISK inflow per] until the market is back to 300-400M per... for 19.50 RL... that would help CCP's bottom line, keep the speculators in check, and deflate the price of other items as speculation goes down and real production builds back up the supply of other items...

... and consider a fixed max price of PLEX at a point in which it wouldn't allow prices above that price in sell orders and then let the market drive the price under that point... with that in place the PLEX to ISK would even out, and be like a "gold / silver " standard to RL money in the economy and anchor some valuation to PLEX in ISK, and in RL funds.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-10-12 01:29:37 UTC
You mad?

He mad P

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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#3 - 2012-10-12 01:32:11 UTC
Someones dead end job cant pay for all his accounts.
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2012-10-12 01:34:56 UTC
SO CCP should spend tens of thousands of dollars because you feel that plex are overpriced?

Makes sense to me.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#5 - 2012-10-12 01:34:58 UTC
CCP cannot inject PLEX because then they lose money.


I think the OP does not understand how PLEX works.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#6 - 2012-10-12 01:37:54 UTC
This thread again?

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Lyskal Oskold
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-10-12 01:38:31 UTC
Supply and demand.

Looks like some people need to fork out $ for ISK.

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Raiz Nhell
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-10-12 01:53:01 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
[and decrease the amount of ISK inflow per]



Last time I checked there was no ISK inflow from PLEX.. only a slight outflow...

No ISK is generated when you sell a PLEX, it is merely moved from one place to another...

OP needs to spend a nice long weekend with a economics text book...

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Taiwanistan
#9 - 2012-10-12 03:04:20 UTC
CCP should only inject plex when there is a lack of demand.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2012-10-12 03:10:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
a "gold / silver " standard to RL money in the economy

Interesting fact... gold and silver prices rise and fall based on their scarcity (supply) and people's want of them (demand). Their value isn't set anywhere except in people's minds... and even that is subject to up and down swings.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#11 - 2012-10-12 03:16:52 UTC
My thought was not about subs or cost... no issue there...

But my understanding is:

36.00 (ish - havn't bought on in a while, used to be about 36 USD) for a ETC... which then got you 2x PLEX for like 19.50 (seems the price I hear round...

That used to get you 350M when you sold it.
Now it gets you about double 600+M for the same 19.50... a substancial increase in ISKies.

So it would seem to me that CCP is now printing ETC/PLEX that dump double the ISK on the universe and collecting 1/2 the RL money for it... and it's injecting "cheap" money into the economy... which allows for more "speculation" and less "production" of real economic grown... as Mitten's put it... "bubble"

The idea as I would think to fix this is deflate the ISK per RL dollars, which would slow down the dumping of PLEX for cheap money and bring it back into real money value to ISK injected for it.

And as far as economics goes... don't hold much stock in the current economic "theories" - not going to get into that one, but if you subscribe to them, your an idiot and a gambler, not an economist... anymore than a loan-shark is an investment banker... or a ponzi-schemer is a job-creater...lol.
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-10-12 03:18:40 UTC
If it's all about the health of the game, I'd suggest they just remove Plex.

That won't happen either but see how I turned that around on you? Me, I prefer the method now used. Prime directive, stick to mechanics. I don't think we should be allowed to move Plex in game but that's another debate.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#13 - 2012-10-12 03:22:15 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
a "gold / silver " standard to RL money in the economy

Interesting fact... gold and silver prices rise and fall based on their scarcity (supply) and people's want of them (demand). Their value isn't set anywhere except in people's minds... and even that is subject to up and down swings.


Gold and Silver shake the fraud out of the system, because you can't simply stamp it out on paper and make more of it, someone has to find it and get it physically out of the ground and bring it to market (real production) and then you can't sell more of it than there is (unless your in the "City" or "Wallstreet" in which case you can naked short it all you want I guess until the mob shows up with the certificates and trades them for torches and pitchforks...).

Putting PLEX to 400M max sell as a price control would keep the market steady and stop the "free" flow of easy ISK into the system... then the other ISK issues could be looked at... but the big thing would be to cut the inflow of ISK from RL by half and slow the economy down enough to deflate the current run-aways...
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#14 - 2012-10-12 03:23:48 UTC  |  Edited by: MadMuppet
As I player I just injected PLEX to help your cause. In return I got isk, which furthers my own cause. While you might not have noticed this personal effort of mine, I would like you to know I that I am happy to watch the price of PLEX drop along with you so that I can buy PLEX again while enjoying the profit I made.

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#15 - 2012-10-12 03:24:39 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:


So it would seem to me that CCP is now printing ETC/PLEX that dump double the ISK on the universe


But again, ETC/PLEX doesn't dump or add any ISK to the game at all.

Selling a PLEX in game only moves ISK from one player to another.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#16 - 2012-10-12 03:27:14 UTC
Sisohiv wrote:
If it's all about the health of the game, I'd suggest they just remove Plex.

That won't happen either but see how I turned that around on you? Me, I prefer the method now used. Prime directive, stick to mechanics. I don't think we should be allowed to move Plex in game but that's another debate.


PLEX as a means to turn time "working" in EVE into "time" to play is fine, in fact it's a positive for the game just like real world work, production and time = wages...

The problem is when it is devalued due to ISK inflation... right now the amount of time spend working = much more to get the same time to play... so working wages for PLEX (as pay) is being hit hard... the working man is taking it on the chin as the ISK rich (and RL money users) buy up "golden ammo" in a sense because they can keep funding w/o work/time in game stake in the economy, but the PLEX earner can't keep up...

So PLEX workers, lose - meaning less real economy
PLEX brokers, win - meaning more speculation and more price manipulation and inflation...

Funny how this game is a mirror of the RL issues...
Darth Nupis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-10-12 03:29:43 UTC
This idea lacks merit.
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2012-10-12 03:32:56 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:


So it would seem to me that CCP is now printing ETC/PLEX that dump double the ISK on the universe and collecting 1/2 the RL money for it... and it's injecting "cheap" money into the economy... which allows for more "speculation" and less "production" of real economic grown... as Mitten's put it... "bubble"

PLEX inject no isk into the game.

Aurelius Valentius wrote:

The idea as I would think to fix this is deflate the ISK per RL dollars, which would slow down the dumping of PLEX for cheap money and bring it back into real money value to ISK injected for it.

Spoiler: If people were dumping PLEX, the price wouldn't be rising.

Aurelius Valentius wrote:

And as far as economics goes... don't hold much stock in the current economic "theories" - not going to get into that one, but if you subscribe to them, your an idiot and a gambler, not an economist... anymore than a loan-shark is an investment banker... or a ponzi-schemer is a job-creater...lol.


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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#19 - 2012-10-12 03:33:27 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
My thought was not about subs or cost... no issue there...

But my understanding is:

36.00 (ish - havn't bought on in a while, used to be about 36 USD) for a ETC... which then got you 2x PLEX for like 19.50 (seems the price I hear round...

That used to get you 350M when you sold it.
Now it gets you about double 600+M for the same 19.50... a substancial increase in ISKies.

So it would seem to me that CCP is now printing ETC/PLEX that dump double the ISK on the universe and collecting 1/2 the RL money for it... and it's injecting "cheap" money into the economy... which allows for more "speculation" and less "production" of real economic grown... as Mitten's put it... "bubble"

The idea as I would think to fix this is deflate the ISK per RL dollars, which would slow down the dumping of PLEX for cheap money and bring it back into real money value to ISK injected for it.

And as far as economics goes... don't hold much stock in the current economic "theories" - not going to get into that one, but if you subscribe to them, your an idiot and a gambler, not an economist... anymore than a loan-shark is an investment banker... or a ponzi-schemer is a job-creater...lol.

So you're saying if people believe in math they're wrong?

I mean is that what you're going with? Value = Demand / Supply. Pretty simple.

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#20 - 2012-10-12 03:37:05 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:
If it's all about the health of the game, I'd suggest they just remove Plex.

That won't happen either but see how I turned that around on you? Me, I prefer the method now used. Prime directive, stick to mechanics. I don't think we should be allowed to move Plex in game but that's another debate.


PLEX as a means to turn time "working" in EVE into "time" to play is fine, in fact it's a positive for the game just like real world work, production and time = wages...

The problem is when it is devalued due to ISK inflation... right now the amount of time spend working = much more to get the same time to play... so working wages for PLEX (as pay) is being hit hard... the working man is taking it on the chin as the ISK rich (and RL money users) buy up "golden ammo" in a sense because they can keep funding w/o work/time in game stake in the economy, but the PLEX earner can't keep up...

So PLEX workers, lose - meaning less real economy
PLEX brokers, win - meaning more speculation and more price manipulation and inflation...

Funny how this game is a mirror of the RL issues...

So if CCP buffs risk out of high-sec and the value of all the resources there tank, you're going to be really, really mad aren't you?

Because then your minerals won't be worth 1/10 of a PLEX a month, I'm guessing.

This thread is the natural result of the devaluation of professions due to lack of risk.

Thanks OP for your kind contribution. I hope I have directed your angst in appropriate directions.

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