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Getting Rid of the Undesirables (for good this time)

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2012-10-12 00:09:04 UTC
You're ignoring the fact that this is a massive deterrent against crime in highsec.
Meaning that for people who already play highsec safely, now have it even safer.
Congratulations, we're one step closer to Trammel, all because of you ******** highsec carebears.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#62 - 2012-10-12 00:09:16 UTC
This thread is BS.

The same people complaining now are going to figure out ways to game the mechanics to result in doing exactly the very thing they complain about, except their idea of "undesirables" are people not like them (usually referred to as "pubbies").


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#63 - 2012-10-12 00:09:57 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Firing on someone in high-sec, despite the outcome, will now result in what is essentially a 30-day free-for-all flag on the dirty scumbag. That is, it will result in a month-long prison sentence. Leave the prison, and anyone can shoot you, anywhere, with no warning. Not even a message or a short timer to get ready. Not even a break between collection attempts. They can't even exhaust a finite amount of attempts on the target. All they have to do is accept the kill right, and possibly pay a fee (and I don't imagine too many people will charge fees, considering what this system implies).


Are you really complaining that after having the upper hand in deciding where and when your high-sec victim will die, you don't like it now that the victim has the upper hand in deciding where and when you die?

Karma is a *****. No, strike that. Karma is a virgin, because a ***** is too easy.

If we are really being told not to shoot at noobs if aggressed by them in rookie systems, that's completely broken and we have every reason to complain.

Until I see somebody from CCP post that we shouldn't shoot back but should instead petition it, I have to assume they didn't think of this and therefore it's broken.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Grumpymunky
Monkey Steals The Peach
#64 - 2012-10-12 00:12:50 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Are you really complaining that after having the upper hand in deciding where and when your high-sec victim will die, you don't like it now that the victim has the upper hand in deciding where and when you die?
Except the ganker already dies.
Every single time.
stoicfaux wrote:
Karma
So you're saying that everyone who got ganked deserved what they got? Agreed! Big smile

Post with your monkey.

Thread locked due to lack of pants.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#65 - 2012-10-12 00:13:02 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
You're ignoring the fact that this is a massive deterrent against crime in highsec.
Meaning that for people who already play highsec safely, now have it even safer.
Congratulations, we're one step closer to Trammel, all because of you ******** highsec carebears.


The prison system and the death penalty are also deterrents, doesn't stop people committing crime, your actions will now have consequences.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#66 - 2012-10-12 00:15:17 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
You're ignoring the fact that this is a massive deterrent against crime in highsec.
Meaning that for people who already play highsec safely, now have it even safer.
Congratulations, we're one step closer to Trammel, all because of you ******** highsec carebears.


The prison system and the death penalty are also deterrents, doesn't stop people committing crime, your actions will now have consequences.

Being CONCORDed when you suicide-gank someone, or being flagged to a whole corporation when you steal someone's can, aren't consequences?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#67 - 2012-10-12 00:17:55 UTC
Those are the costs of doing business, you chose to be in that particular line of business and costs just went up.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#68 - 2012-10-12 00:18:19 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
You're ignoring the fact that this is a massive deterrent against crime in highsec.
Meaning that for people who already play highsec safely, now have it even safer.
Congratulations, we're one step closer to Trammel, all because of you ******** highsec carebears.


The prison system and the death penalty are also deterrents, doesn't stop people committing crime, your actions will now have consequences.

Being CONCORDed when you suicide-gank someone, or being flagged to a whole corporation when you steal someone's can, aren't consequences?

Not to mention that in the real world, crime is profitable. They patched that out a few patches ago, didn't they?

See also: Poverty and desperation. Roll

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2012-10-12 00:18:26 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
You're ignoring the fact that this is a massive deterrent against crime in highsec.
Meaning that for people who already play highsec safely, now have it even safer.
Congratulations, we're one step closer to Trammel, all because of you ******** highsec carebears.


The prison system and the death penalty are also deterrents, doesn't stop people committing crime, your actions will now have consequences.

Criminal actions in this game have had consequences ever since CONCORD was introduced. What this is doing is continuing to close the gap. It's a slow elimination of all crime in highsec. We're not joking or exaggerating when we see this eventually leading to not being able to fire weapons on a player at all in highsec unless you're at war with them or otherwise legal targets.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#70 - 2012-10-12 00:18:53 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Those are the costs of doing business, you chose to be in that particular line of business and costs just went up.

So losing your ship once is cost of doing business, but losing it twice is consequence? What would the third time be called?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Ludi Burek
Exit-Strategy
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#71 - 2012-10-12 00:19:23 UTC
I don't know OP, usually I agree completely with your posts but these changes seem like opportunities to make high sec interesting for yourself. I do hate the fact though, that **** for brains cretins get somewhat cradled again.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#72 - 2012-10-12 00:19:29 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Those are the costs of doing business, you chose to be in that particular line of business and costs just went up.

Yes. Apparently it means that for the first time in Eve, if we are aggressed by rookies in a rookie system we don't really have any alternatives.

Still waiting to find out about those petitions. Shocked

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Celestra Doxaila
MinTek Tactical Division
#73 - 2012-10-12 00:20:01 UTC
The problem I have with this system is that being a "suspect" allows everyone in space to shoot at you.

Think about how that works... "I suspect you of a crime. Firing squad.... fire!"

What the...
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#74 - 2012-10-12 00:20:27 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Those are the costs of doing business, you chose to be in that particular line of business and costs just went up.

So losing your ship once is cost of doing business, but losing it twice is consequence? What would the third time be called?

The third time is that much closer to being no different than miners and probably earning a buff through forum mechanics.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
stoicfaux
#75 - 2012-10-12 00:20:44 UTC
Grumpymunky wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Are you really complaining that after having the upper hand in deciding where and when your high-sec victim will die, you don't like it now that the victim has the upper hand in deciding where and when you die?
Except the ganker already dies.
Every single time.

Nice try. Previously, the ganker got to choose how much they lost. Now the ganker has to look over their shoulder and worry for 30 days about how much isk they lose if they get suddenly ganked.


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-10-12 00:21:10 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
So I want to know, legitimately, do we file a petition instead of shooting back or what?


Oh noes, can't shoot noobs in noob systems.

Just like now.

Whatever. Roll
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#77 - 2012-10-12 00:21:49 UTC
Celestra Doxaila wrote:
The problem I have with this system is that being a "suspect" allows everyone in space to shoot at you.

Think about how that works... "I suspect you of a crime. Firing squad.... fire!"

What the...

I suspect you of a crime.

Therefore, in rookie systems, you cannot fight back. Shocked

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Grumpymunky
Monkey Steals The Peach
#78 - 2012-10-12 00:22:01 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Those are the costs of doing business, you chose to be in that particular line of business and costs just went up.
Just like having to replace an exhumer because you refused to tank it was a "cost of doing business."

Post with your monkey.

Thread locked due to lack of pants.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#79 - 2012-10-12 00:22:51 UTC
Malphilos wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
So I want to know, legitimately, do we file a petition instead of shooting back or what?


Oh noes, can't shoot noobs in noob systems.

Just like now.

Whatever. Roll


Except right now if they shoot me because I'm flashy, I can shoot back.

So that's a whole lot different there, isn't it?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#80 - 2012-10-12 00:24:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Lol I'm trying to play Devils Advocate here, I have no doubt that people will find ways of turning the new crimewatch to their advantage, in fact I'm eager to see what people come up with (excluding picking on rookies because that's pretty low).

What it will do is weed out those that use the current mechanics for the sole purpose of urinating on the so called carebears.

Grumpymunky wrote:
Just like having to replace an exhumer because you refused to tank it was a "cost of doing business."


Yes. The idiots that refused to tank their exhumers were just that, idiots, I mine on an alt, have done for nigh on 3 years and my mining ships have always fitted a tank, I wasn't daft enough to mine during the Hulkgeddon campaigns and have never lost one, people would ship scan me and then move on to the idiot with zero tank or shiny mods.

I've lost ships in WHs to roving gangs, I've been dumb and lost ships to NPC's in Hisec, all costs related to the way I play as far as I'm concerned

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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