EVE General Discussion

I know this won't go over well, but near as I can tell suicide ganking is about as much an intended profession as AFK mining; both are more unintended consequences, not designed. Mining itself is an intended profession, and with the costs associated with an exhumer it was sometimes a losing one. So...CCP took steps to keep the intended profession working (killing mission loot refining, bufing the barges, no insurance for CONCORD kills, etc) to the determent of one of the unintended ones. That means that the other unintended one got a huge buff, and is now bordering on out of control. Should it be worked on (including using some of the OP's suggestions), yes; but mining is the official profession, and we should expect it to be preserved.

To all those scornfully proclaiming that mining barges shouldn't be fit with yield as the foremost consideration: how about we turn the tables and have CCP design a mechanic that forces all PvP-fit ships to also be able to mine a certain amount per second? Would you find that a fair and sensible rule? While I may agree that something must be done about AFK mining, do you see how absurd your argument really is? The argument is as absurd as me petitioning the local DoT to force city buses to all be fitted with armor so they can also be used for police SWAT operations.

Hello, I'm Skymarshal H. Ratli Smirks, the hero of 49-U. I've been asked by Vinata to write a guide to help you eager Kugutsumen posters not smear virtual poop all over these forums. Which you persist in doing every time your webbed, cheeto-stained man-paw shoves your cursor over the “post new reply” button.

Yes, you are a bad poster. And by “you” I mean you personally. However, if you follow these guidelines you may become a less-bad poster, which is something we look forward to with the utmost anticipation.

1. No antiquated terrible meme posting. These are memes that were potentially at one point effective and maybe even amusing, then discarded, taken up by CAOD, SHC, and posters like you, and driven into the ground. They are obsolete. At this point seeing “u mad bro” posted, or references to people “being mad,” is like listening to your grandparents use slang ten years out of date. It is wince-inducing.

2. Images you pulled off 4chan. Yes, we know 4chan is hilarious and the captions are soooo funny! Post all the pictures you want there! But post words here you ******* illiterate.

3. Various permutations of the word “fail” that do not adhere to classic, pre-internet usage. Likewise "epic." Keep that **** at home.

4. I heartily encourage you to lurk before posting. Lurking is useful because it introduces you to local posting conventions and generally gives you a handle on the regular forum denizens.

5. When you find a good post, take a few moments to examine it critically and figure out what makes it a good post. What makes it amusing? What makes it enjoyable to read? Do the same to a bad post. What makes it garbage? What makes it painful to read? Try to incorporate what you learned into your next post.

6. Along the lines of #5, study the good posters and the good trolls. Look at their language, their tone, and even their gimmicks. What makes them effective? You don't have to copy them, but pay attention.

7. Don't do emotes in a post. This isn't a Vampire the Masquerade RP room on IRC.

8. Recognize ironicposting and written sarcasm.

Unless you are confident in your command of the Art of Posting, I recommend being succinct. Writing long, elaborate posts is really only fine if you are confident in your ability to hold the reader's attention and keep them interested/amused throughout the length of the post. You remember that scene from The Shawshank Redemption where Tim Robbins had to crawl five hundred yards through a raw sewage pipe? That's what reading a long bad post is like.

This goes for angry rageposting too. I don't personally endorse rageposting because it is terribly boring, but some of you ******* love rageposting like Suas loved cocaine. Whatever, I can't personally stop you. Just make it brief.

Posts about how awesome you and your legion of space badasses are and how you are about to rain fire and pit bulls onto your hapless space adversaries are also boring. If you post these, you will likely be trolled.

Don't get trolled. If someone posted something obviously provocatively wrong and you feel compelled to correct it and it wasn't posted by CrusaderKnight then you are probably about to get trolled. Looking at you, TEST.

Know when to get out of a thread. Threads usually degenerate into complete circular jackassery, and spending further time in that cesspit arguing is a waste. When it becomes clear that further debate is pointless, leave.

~moronic pubbie post~

Right here from the EULA:

3. You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

Hmmm its almost as if CCP has implicitly stated that any AFK activity is not allowed.

Highsec mining definatly needs some sort of risk injected into it. As it stands right now there is no real threat to them.

Bolding another important part. This is important in that in this case AFK play actualy provides a reduced rate of acquisition in comparison to "normal" play or botting.

Bolding another important part. This is important in that in this case AFK play actualy provides a reduced rate of acquisition in comparison to "normal" play or botting.

The question is, who exactly thinks the "risk/reward balance" is not in balance? Think of it this way: risk isn't the only factor to be considered in highsec, especially in mining. Miners pay a huge price in sheer boredom. Factor that in and I'd say mining is pretty much in balance. I'm all for anything new that would make mining more interactive, but not turning unarmed ships into sitting duck targets again. Making all belts scan sites, changing the mechanic to make it more interactive, anything but making barges dodge suicide attackers they have no real defense against.

there are bots and there are those who press f1-f2 and then go back to watching a movie or reading a book for the next hour

apparently dragging your mouse and pressing f1-f2 every hour is perfectly fine