EVE General Discussion

Well I am not going to get into all that my comment was on his idea, his idea that only a select few should be able to build ships. It is a horribad idea that would cause people to leave the game, I do not even do any production, but the day they announced any stupid idea I like this, I would cancel toot sweet. You can take your high sec/low null sec crap to one of the many other threads on this. Have a good day.

I think what you just said, whether you know it or not, is you agree with me.

Deflating ice and mineral prices is not good gameplay.

It's typical of EVE and we like it that way. HTFU.



I think the current system caters to a good size crowd, that being not too many and not too few. Anybody at all can build stuff even early on and with very poor skills (there's even a tutorial mission that has you produce stuff with minerals you mine yourself), and it scales fairly nicely. The hardest part is that it's unclear what new production or research options you have available after you train a production or science skill. You have to ask people or go checking through blueprints, or maybe just decide what you want to build first and train the skills later. But the high-end stuff like capital ships and larger tech 2 ships, and POS modules require pretty decent skills and a fair amount of entry money. Also, the best profit margins come when you own a BPO, meaning often times that you have to produce a lot of them to pay off the cost of the BPOand research, and actually benefit from that profit margin. If you go on researched BPCs, your profit margin is shot and you get almost nothing for your time.

Compare and contrast this system to your average MMORPG production, in which you collect common materials and make your profession go +1 every time you make an item. It's so easy to do that everyone will do it just to do it. Many of the games now offer achievements for skilling these up, so even more players do it. And the net result is that you can't make money crafting most things because there are too many people making those items and not enough people using them. You pay a ton to skill up (or do it tediously with almost no profit) and then it just sits there looking pretty. Or you can sell the materials to rich players who want to skill up quickly, and actually make money.

In EVE, industrialists and miners make comparable amounts of money, with the exception that industry is much more variable (some make very little and some make tons), but both are entirely viable. Tell me again how that's bad?

Think again. You need 12 PLEX annually to be able to login. Period.
You can't do (almost) anything else if you have *just* 12 PLEX annually.

You have free ships though, but that's un-capitalistic too; there should be no F-word in this game (as there's no IRL).

Frequency.

They shouldn't. Think about RL, to just build cars you have to research, build the manufacturing plant, hire people, get the materials and components, get the electricity, water, address environmental issues, get the licenses and permissions, pay taxes, pay benefits, deal with the unions and so on.

When you've done all that, you have to compete with others, market your cars, create dealerships and support infrastructure.

You have to pay billions upfront even before your first car is out of the factory.

How can you make this happen in the game? Easy. Remove manufacturing slots from the general public and make it POS-exclusive. It won't get you even close to the RL (I did the math above, ~27 million PLEX to open Suzuki Motors) but it will make it impossible to 99% to manufacture anything for a profit.

At the end, world is governed by The 1%.

I don't know if you realize this, but any doofus sitting at home with scrap from junkyard electronics can manufacture calculators. A rifter costs a capsuleer about as much as a junkyard calculator costs a no-status impoverished groundhog. We're not typical people. We're capsuleers. We ARE the elite. We're much less than 1%. There are a handful of us to a populated planet. We're less common than governors, we're less common that industry big shots. We have unlimited access to a piece of Jovian technology that's highly regulated, which allows us to perform tasks on our own that it takes entire teams to complete in much more time. We can fly crewless ships, we can mine and manage cargo as easily as we can drink a Quafe. So no, I don't think allowing noob capsuleers to manufacture rifters is a bad thing.

It takes you a few weeks to drink a beer???

You're saying the big alliances should control the market and make the price of ships sit at 100m for a bc?

You are comparing eve to real life?



Your post is invalid after comparing those 2.