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And again i am wondering about how you are able to totally misunderstand my words
and just read what you want to read, but i'll try in a manner that enables you to comprehend.

Of *COURSE* they are exercising their killrights, which is a good thing.
The actual issue is, as you seem to acknowledge,
that it's taking a spiral down to zero,
with nobody left that one could buy killrights from.

You completely ignored the ultimate end, namely that there won't be anybody left with killrights
and this will happen rather sooner than later.

If you only manage to respond half-assed, how about not responding at all.

edit: so, although obvious ... what kind of mechanic will motivate people to shoot others
and risk being FFA ? Nobody yet realised that most people are cowards who would never
dare going FFA at all ?

Thank you for any response that would show me how this is resolved.

Tbh, your last post helped me realize that there is a small chance that i'll catch shuttles/frigates and their pods
with bounty on them ... and i *will* check this out. :) I don't care about the money, but it adds at least SOMETHING ...

From the Dev Blog



Graph depicting what situation create a Criminal Flag

Aye.
It'll be a bad thing because, after every killright is claimed, there's nobody left to shoot.

I'm trying to bring my experience from hek into this. At first, there'll be a carnage,
but sooner or later all the killrights have been bought up and claimed
and there'll be no more new to buy.

That's the point. It's a downward spiral with no fresh content, once it's all used up.

I don't know if you know, but i can tell you *for sure* that most people are way too afraid of risking becoming FFA.
As this will happen, i fail to see how new killrights should come up, once the old ones are all used up.

Even worse is the possibility of manymanymany people staying docked until old killrights have vanished.
(meaning killrights that came up pre-expansion ... no idea if they count or not)

This sounds like more people just using alts for kills, which will then hide in station until the killrights have vanished...


Did i express my concerns in a proper manner ?

TL;DR: What incentive is there to keep people onto shooting others, so killrights form ?

That's not my concern ... most gankers are cowards using alts they don't need to care about,
so they don't actually count anyway. No difference to before. None. Absolutely none.

Lowsec people don't count either, because anybody could always head to lowsec,
completely ignoring if there are killrights on somebody or not.
In Lowsec, FFA is standard. No difference to before.

In the end, there's no reason to believe that there'll be more fights in highsec ...
... where it matters, because that's where all the people are.

I give up. *throws towel* I can just try and find out if there's something different
once the expansion is live ...

…so the day after EVE closes down. That's not really a worry, now is it.

Eh, no. There's far too much money to be made from taking a kill right for them to ever run out. With these changes, there will be even more money to make and the old reasons are not going away. So here's how new kill rights will come up: people shoot each other, same as always, and for the same old reasons.

The ones who are generating them right now are already making themselves FFA. Something they're already doing won't stop them from keep doing what they're doing.

Yes. They're just not convincing, especially in the face of the increased incentives to shoot people and the increased methods of generating those rights.

- Will this system work on pilots that are in an npc corporation, especially

when it involves live event rolepayers in pirate npc corp, sansha or guristas, etc


- Can you add the option "share bounty in fleet, yes/no" as with agent rewards after mission completion.

Suspects can fight back against anyone who attacks them. Doing so creates “limited engagement” — the only player-to-player flag left in the game. Anyone butting in on a LE by providing remote support for either side will be flagged as suspect as well, so the suspect is pretty much on his own. The vigilante can get “support” in the form of other people shooting the same suspect, but he is also largely SOL when it comes to remote reps and the like unless his logi buddies are really keen on becoming free-for-all targets.

So yes, he can fight back, but with restrictions on what else he can bring to the fight.


I don't see anything in the blog saying that they can't. It's more a matter of them having a harder time actually getting killrights to sell since, being outlaws, they're usually legal targets so attacking them won't trigger the C-flag that would give them the killright. If they manage to be illegally attacked, they should be able to sell it as well as anyone else.

Sure, but sooner or later, someone is going to get wind of that could of free-for-all logis and scrounge up a fleet to run in there and do some actual damage…

…and either way, more pew-pew so, yay!

Tippia... you are not completely correct on this...

Corp mates, alliance mates, and militia mates can provide Remote assistance to their allies in a Limited engagement, and will NOT be flagged suspect as long as the person they are repping is NOT a suspect. And what's worse, is that the Suspect can't attack those logistics ships either!!!!!

In short... you get free logistics from corp mates, alliance mates, and militia mates!!!

Please see the dev comment: