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the heavy missile will be nebuff in the winter patch? really?
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Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#41 - 2012-10-09 12:57:57 UTC
Mike Whiite wrote:
With Guided Missiles precision becoming Missiles Precision and Riggs affecting non guided missiles

Would that make Torps a Vialable option for an SNI?

No missile range bonus = minimal Torp viability.

At least until we have modules to increase range.
Doddy
Excidium.
#42 - 2012-10-09 14:06:54 UTC
Christina Irene wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Christina Irene wrote:
Inferno Fury Heavy Missile 192/182 - 3750/4300 - 9/3.25 - 33750/13975 - 97/68 - 215/241

O MY GOD!!!! range cut in more than half??? only 3.25 flight time??? ....the missile will lose before it can reach the target??



Shrug. Get closer if you want to use Fury.



that's T2 heavy missiles？


Remember those are base stats before skills, mods and ship bonuses.
Doddy
Excidium.
#43 - 2012-10-09 14:09:14 UTC
HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:
No, no...buy a Widow. Then learn to PVP.


Apart from the alliance tournament I've never seen anyone fight in a widow.



You'll almost never see it, but for sure you will see what it bridges Twisted


lol, yup, most people won't fight with them, just use them for covert cynos.


You actually see quite alot of widows dropped, certainly more than other blops.
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#44 - 2012-10-10 00:26:46 UTC
Yeah Widows can actually do decent dps and ECM is OP.
Hagika
Standard Corp 123
#45 - 2012-10-11 19:28:44 UTC
Arazel Chainfire wrote:
raz1980 wrote:
After ccp **** up HML whats next? maelstrom - ccp stop f**king with the ships and turrets. They are fine the way they areUgh


Whine whine whine - grow up and realize that heavy missiles have been needing a nerf for the past 2 years (at least) and CCP is finally getting around to fixing them. Welcome to Eve - nothing stays the same.

-Arazel


Yeah how about that dps they do.... They just needed a range decrease. In pvp caldari ships are junk.

The drake had a purpose because new people can get in and it has a tank. After that, caldari has nothing.
Unlike every other race.
I fly gallente by the way. only whiney drake haters as yourself are the real problem. Made because your hurricane can stomp it like every other BC?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#46 - 2012-10-11 20:54:06 UTC
Hagika wrote:
Arazel Chainfire wrote:
raz1980 wrote:
After ccp **** up HML whats next? maelstrom - ccp stop f**king with the ships and turrets. They are fine the way they areUgh


Whine whine whine - grow up and realize that heavy missiles have been needing a nerf for the past 2 years (at least) and CCP is finally getting around to fixing them. Welcome to Eve - nothing stays the same.

-Arazel


Yeah how about that dps they do.... They just needed a range decrease. In pvp caldari ships are junk.

The drake had a purpose because new people can get in and it has a tank. After that, caldari has nothing.
Unlike every other race.
I fly gallente by the way. only whiney drake haters as yourself are the real problem. Made because your hurricane can stomp it like every other BC?



Caldari has the following doctrine PvP ships which are considered good or excellent for PvP.

Merlin
Griffin
Harpy
Hawk
Blackbird
CN Hookbill
CN Caracal
Falcon
Rook
Manticore
Drake
Naga
Rokh

Personally I have no problem with Drakes as they are. There are hard counters to the drakefleet doctrine and it's my belief that a lot of the hurtebutte about drakes is people with a false sense of entitlement about being able to take on 200 ships with 50, but it's dishonest to say that there are no Caldari PvP alternatives

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#47 - 2012-10-12 05:42:38 UTC
Merlin
Griffin

Cormorant

Flycatcher

Harpy
Hawk
Blackbird
CN Hookbill
CN Caracal
Falcon
Rook

Onyx

Basilisk

Tengu

Manticore
Drake
Naga
Rokh

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#48 - 2012-10-12 11:50:01 UTC
Agreed with the additions, thanks for adding to the list. People who post ignorant tosh like "The Drake Is the only viable Caldari PvP ship" are exactly the people who motivate others towards getting the Drake nerfed.

Go buy the gunnery support skillbooks and look at something other than the damb Drake.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2012-10-12 13:26:26 UTC
Regarding the Drake, let's not forget the following from the CSM minutes

Quote:
The Drake: The CSM and CCP both acknowledged the need to rebalance the Drake, which ‘does everything too well’. CCP is considering giving it a more offensive role like a Raven or Caracal where it would lose the shield resistance bonus and the 5% Kinetic damage bonus and instead gain a rate of fire bonus and a missile velocity bonus. The CSM vehemently approved of this idea. CCP and the CSM also agreed that this possible change to the Drake would help add more uniqueness to the Nighthawk, which is presently overshadowed entirely by the Drake.


Seeing as the Raven and the "new" Caracal both have 5% RoF and 10% missile velocity bonuses, I'm guessing the Drake will get the same to help offset the HML reductions, especially if the BC skill is maxed. The changes will also likely give people a reason to want to max the BC skill which will set up training into the Nighthawk.
BearJews
Order of Extrodinary Gentlemen
#50 - 2012-12-31 17:30:03 UTC
Does the NH bonus on impact HAMS as well (missile precision)?
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