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Closing a massive isk sink?

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Josef Djugashvilis
#21 - 2012-10-11 07:38:42 UTC
Shaalira D'arc wrote:
First of all, it's not closing it entirely. FW LP payouts will still be there. And it'll probably remain the primary income of many FW regulars.

Secondly, I don't think it's as "massive" as you think it is. FW LP cash-outs tend to occur only during t5 (or t4) pushes. Such pushes only occur once every few weeks, if that. Sure, there's a metric ton of activity during that time, but I suspect even that is dwarfed by the constant LP cash-outs of 24-7 hi-sec mission-running.


As a mission runner, I wish this was true.

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#22 - 2012-10-11 07:39:16 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:
Why don't those items redeemed for LP become cheap as hell?


They do. SNI dropped from 330m to 230m in about 3 days about a month ago.


That's not particularly significant, since it did that a month ago, and you don't seem to be mentioning anything dropping since. If it had been 2 days ago, then yes, that would be something.

The issue is actually that FW players are controlling the stream of LP items into the economy by selectively trading LP for items of higher value each time. When the market sees a lot of one item, they move to another to avoid overloading the market, and there are a lot of FW items to do this with between the 4 factions.

That's purely speculation of course, but it is the sensible thing to do under the circumstances. The only issue would be organization, but merchandising players will select based on value and market abundance anyway, so it fixes itself. Obviously, if I were to cash in some, (fictitious*), LP, I would check the market first to see what has less competition but sells for a good price.

*I've actually only earned 1300 or so LP doing 1 mission as I'm not overly motivated to gain unbelievable amounts of ISK. Go figure.

The other thing you'll not see happening generally, is players who stockpile FW items for when the market drops in supply, and especially, for after FW gets nerfed into the ground, as is sure to happen eventually. Probably won't be long actually. This is why I decided to join now, and I'm not honestly sure whether I got weeks or months to make a bit of ISK.

Might as well cash in if I can motivate myself to do it for a bit. Even a billion or two would be nice. Smile Maybe tomorrow says the procrastinator in me, but who knows, it may be gone in a hotfix by tomorrow. Blink I doubt it honestly. EVE Devs don't seem to make a rush of fixing things that will only temporarily impact the economy as this does. So a few people will make tons of ISK; it's not really a huge concern in my opinion.

Spread the wealth around; why not. It's not like other players haven't been finding ways to do the same thing themselves. The relatively recent development of web-based casinos that move trillions of ISK around for example. Or the scams in Jita, or Ganking Officer fit ships, or whatever. It all changes hands one way or another and it's just ISK.
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#23 - 2012-10-11 07:52:18 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
That's not particularly significant, since it did that a month ago, and you don't seem to be mentioning anything dropping since. If it had been 2 days ago, then yes, that would be something.


The price dropped over 30% in three days, what difference does it make if it happened a month ago or 2 days ago? All that matters is that the price dropped sharply due to Faction Warfare. The reason I haven't mentioned anything happening since is because I don't watch the market closely, that was just an observation I'd made at the time. Caldari LP dropped heavily and the market was flooded with SNIs causing the price to drop by 100m isk on a large number of units. How is that not significant?
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
#24 - 2012-10-11 10:20:13 UTC
implants are pretty ****** as well. LP in general is worth nothing to what it was even 3-4 months ago.

Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
#25 - 2012-10-11 14:38:42 UTC
CCP dev at EVE Vegas said speed tanking FW will be going away.
Problem solved, till we find the next loop hole
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#26 - 2012-10-11 14:58:25 UTC
Andski wrote:
It's almost like pumping billions into your wallet by speed tanking FW complexes on a day-old alt is broken!

There are two things that show us that it isn't obviously broken and in need of fixing:

1) People other than goons are doing it. Therefore it is clearly okay, if just goons were doing it then it would be an exploit and would be emergency patched.
2) It has no affect on incursion runners or miners. These are apparently the two primary groups of players whose gameplay must not be affected by anything another player does, but this doesn't affect them at all, so obviously no change is needed.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#27 - 2012-10-11 15:13:24 UTC
Archon Rhade wrote:
I know people arent particularly happy with the FW plex LP thing but why are people screaming so hard for a nerf?

Maybe I dont understand how it works? I thought you only got LP from such plexes. Then in turn you had to pay isk to an npc (aka a sink) in order to redeem your LP?

Was I wrong in assuming no isk came into the system as a whole? Yes you can earn billions in like 2 seconds i understand that but thats just circulating isk, its not from my understanding, an isk faucet?

So why are people screaming so hard about this? I think lower implant and faction prices coupled with the draining of isk from the overall economy wouldnt be a bad thing. Maybe I'm wrong.

Stupidly easy distribution of wealth devalues money just as much, and causes just as much inflation as introducing giant amounts of cash into the economy does.

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Baljos Arnjak
Dark Praetorian Order
#28 - 2012-10-11 15:28:09 UTC
Vigilant wrote:
CCP dev at EVE Vegas said speed tanking FW will be going away.
Problem solved, till we find the next loop hole


Nah, fixing speed tanking only fixes part of the problem. The major problem is the warzone control modifiers that tip the playing field in FW's favor. I could make as much or more LP blitzing normal missions in a 0.5 sec system than I could by orbiting a button, but FW LP under Tier 5 is worth a heck of a lot more than any other corps LP.

BUT, last I heard anyway, they're changing the Tiers to only affect how much LP is paid out and getting rid of the LP shop price reductions. I don't know if the new Tier mechanics will effect missions or not (I don't think they will, but that's speculation on my part), but at least the playing field will be level again as the LP store prices will be on par with non-fw LP stores.
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#29 - 2012-10-11 15:39:07 UTC
People are all butthurt because after 4 years of selling plex people in FW can now buy plex. FW has always been expensive with no return. How long has it been profitable? 6 months? And everyone is QQ.

Null = unlimited moon goo isk/rats
wh = profit
incursions = profit
high sec = lvl 4s
FW = -isk

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#30 - 2012-10-11 15:41:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
Lord Ryan wrote:
People are all butthurt because after 4 years of selling plex people in FW can now buy plex. FW has always been expensive with no return. How long has it been profitable? 6 months? And everyone is QQ.

Null = unlimited moon goo isk/rats
wh = profit
incursions = profit
high sec = lvl 4s
FW = -isk

Lolmad. FW makes its players far more money than the above do, in a solo, risk-free manner. That's broken.

I'm saying this as someone who is in FW. In fact, I'm just tired of the gunless plexing frigates everywhere.

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Lord Ryan
True Xero
#31 - 2012-10-11 15:49:45 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Lord Ryan wrote:
People are all butthurt because after 4 years of selling plex people in FW can now buy plex. FW has always been expensive with no return. How long has it been profitable? 6 months? And everyone is QQ.

Null = unlimited moon goo isk/rats
wh = profit
incursions = profit
high sec = lvl 4s
FW = -isk

Lolmad. FW makes its players far more money than the above do, in a solo, risk-free manner. That's broken.

I'm saying this as someone who is in FW. In fact, I'm just tired of the gunless plexing frigates everywhere.


I agree the gunless alt army is lame. I did a couple cash in's and probably made a couple bil(like 2 or less) each time. But I don't fly gunless ships and have probably spent 100bil on FW over the last +4 years. I would like to believe most nongoon alts are like me.

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#32 - 2012-10-11 15:52:17 UTC
Lord Ryan wrote:

I agree the gunless alt army is lame. I did a couple cash in's and probably made a couple bil(like 2 or less) each time. But I don't fly gunless ships and have probably spent 100bil on FW over the last +4 years. I would like to believe most nongoon alts are like me.

As would I, but believing something doesn't make it true. See: Minmatar FW people having Amarr farming alt corps.

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Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2012-10-11 16:10:00 UTC
+5s and 5% prices wont recover for years, the damage is already done. I say keep going, +5 implants for 30m isk would be sweet.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#34 - 2012-10-11 16:18:27 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Andski wrote:
It's almost like pumping billions into your wallet by speed tanking FW complexes on a day-old alt is broken!

There are two things that show us that it isn't obviously broken and in need of fixing:

1) People other than goons are doing it. Therefore it is clearly okay, if just goons were doing it then it would be an exploit and would be emergency patched..


This would imply that goons don't use alts to milk FW. Which I'm guessing they do.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Cunda Vole
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-10-11 16:26:53 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Andski wrote:
It's almost like pumping billions into your wallet by speed tanking FW complexes on a day-old alt is broken!

There are two things that show us that it isn't obviously broken and in need of fixing:

1) People other than goons are doing it. Therefore it is clearly okay, if just goons were doing it then it would be an exploit and would be emergency patched..


This would imply that goons don't use alts to milk FW. Which I'm guessing they do.


Everyone has alts to milk isk in FW. Why wouldnt you?
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#36 - 2012-10-11 16:27:37 UTC
Cunda Vole wrote:
Everyone has alts to milk isk in FW. Why wouldnt you?

Honour.

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Cunda Vole
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-10-11 16:31:37 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Cunda Vole wrote:
Everyone has alts to milk isk in FW. Why wouldnt you?

Honour.


Honour, in MY Eve Online?
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#38 - 2012-10-11 17:35:51 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Cunda Vole wrote:
Everyone has alts to milk isk in FW. Why wouldnt you?

Honour.

To much effort. Plus my alts are usually in the same militia as me or neutral. FW is very spai paranoid.

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