EVE General Discussion

I just really like Americans!

also, do you know where I'm from Inquisitor Kitchner? I'm pretty well aware of 23 hour darkness

You obviously have blatant issues if you believe that because there are winners and losers, players should do everything they can not to fall into the latter category, at the expense of their opponent's fun.

Traditional boardgames like Chess or Go are bound by extremely strict and very simple rules. It's absolutely impossible to cheese or borderline exploit in those. Gameplay prevents condoned griefing and pushing your opponent's buttons, something which is however the staple of all modern 'competitive' games, such as DOTA-likes, for example, the workings of which are byzantine (champions/items constantly balanced, engine flaws turned into gameplay) and the exact opposite of traditional boardgames, which are brilliantly simple and reward pure skill, not cheap shots.

Those traditional games are not 'competitive', in the way you envision this word, at all. To win, you don't have to "play to win". You just have to be better than your opponent, and focused. In modern online games, to win, having more pure skill doesn't cut it, you have to triple check every patch for new possibilities of cheese, or removal thereof. You must have the "play to win" mentality and be an annoyance.
If there's a bug that multiplies tenfold the damage of an item, you will use it non-stop until next patch because it's going to be so lolrandum to see people rage XDDD. While the majority of gamers won't, because it breaks immersion, and is plainly 'not fun'. You will call them 'scrubs' and mock them.

Winning has become more important than playing, for a minority of players that are into annoying people more than they are into playing make-believe and roleplaying pod pilots. They're not playing for ingame goals, they're using the game for and out-of-game one, reaping Schadenfreude.


It's okay to be competitive, in a broader sense than the one you delve upon. It's fun to 1v1 or have good clean fun with fleets of equal strength. You don't have to enter the 'play to win' mentality to be competitive. It's okay to just play make-believe. It's okay to respect your fellow gamer.


Online communities are actually socializing tools, and a good barometer to check where you're at. When all hell breaks loose IRL, where are you gonna stand? Will you gang up on people trying to mind their own business, because after all, it's only life, and they could have hid themselves better?
You will of course argue that IRL and online behavior have nothing in common, but guess what, ethics are context-irrelevant. Except if you completely roleplay, which is mighty fine, and something you ridicule.

And pray tell, what is sociopathy?

Unless there's another post that I didn't see (don't think the dev blog's up yet) then I don't think it's actually been specified as bounties against ship types. It was stated something like setting bounties on ships, and not just pods. Personally I read that as when setting a bounty on a player, you can choose whether the payout is only paid when the player is podded, or if it's paid for just destroying the player's ship (any ship) and not having to pod them.

But I don't know. Guess we'll find out when the dev blog goes up. (Assuming there isn't already another post elsewhere that provides more clarification for this.)

Because this is EVE, and criminality is (well, used to be) an expressly supported profession in the game.

Hey, there's your real argument, you don't think there's a difference between actions inside a game and outside one. There's a word for people who have trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality.

So you're saying that you want killrights to provide game mechanically enforced surprise, the game mechanically enforced first shot, a virtual guarantee at ship superiority, a likelihood of a numbers advantage, but you still want the fight to be a challenge.

How about this. Make purchasing a killright cost the purchaser something. Turn purchasing a killright into a mini-wardec. The target can shoot you for as long as you hold the transferred killright (ofc you would be able to allow the killright to revert) and the target gets told who you are. Then there would actually be a reason for people to charge money to buy killrights. If you want a strong advantage, get several people to buy killrights against the same person and hunt them down as a group. The target still can't bring friends.

You sir, have very little clue and have spent a whole bunch of time labeling everyone who doesn't think like you as sociopaths... You also spend a great deal of time diagnosing people from time spent in game and on forums. If it's not too much to ask, where did you get your Psych degree from and how long have you been practicing?

Considering that I am roughly one to two *decades* older than the average player in eve, and have been at least somewhat competitively gaming (not always successfully!) for about 35 years (*probably* longer than you've been alive) - I can say (relevant to your posts) that you display a fairly shallow appreciation for other peoples play-styles and are doing a bang up job of conflating "real life behavior" with "video game behavior".

Clue - not everyone who shoots you is a (your term) gankbear/griefer.

Also - IRL - when all hell breaks loose, I want to belong to the group that knows how to stick together. "Minding their own business" is a good way to get ambushed...

Remember, EVE is an Opt-In environment. If you don't like the idea of people trying to win against you, don't opt in. By the way, what non-competitive activity do you do in EVE?

guys, go post in the dev blog feedback thread instead since that's what the team is monitoring!

Seriously, JUST because there has been another reply to a thread is *NO* reason to discard everything I typed.