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New Eden's Economy: 0.1 ISK vs. 0.01 ISK

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Ivanov Pava
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-10-11 11:20:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivanov Pava
It is virtually impossible to personally deal in monetary-units of single cents, in one-hundredths of an ISK, such as 0.09 ISK or less. As you know, the smallest possible unit that any player-character can personally deal in is a tenth of an ISK, i.e. 0.1 ISK, see?

So why the single "cent"? Why are lesser amounts than one in which can deal existent?

I am aware that a few years ago, it was entirely possible to personally deal in single "cent" units. But it seems that since then, that aspect of the game has been done away with by the game-designers. Yet single "cents" nonetheless remain for--now--no reason whatsoever, just economic "pork".

It's plainly evident that one of two things should be done, because of the removal of the aforementioned game-aspect:

Eliminate the single "cent", the one-hundredth of the ISK, and the second digit after the decimal in readouts of monetary amounts. Then all amounts would read something like X,XXX,XXX.0 ISK instead of like X,XXX,XXX.00.

OR

Reinstate the ability for player-characters to deal in single cents among themselves as they please, just as used to be in the game.

Thanks much for your active attention to this matter.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#2 - 2012-10-11 12:02:25 UTC

It's digital money, it can do what it wants.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli

Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#3 - 2012-10-11 12:22:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
I don't know if you're trolling, but just in case you're not, maybe you should file a bug report?
Because I am still able to create market sell orders which are 0.01 ISK lower than the competing sell orders.
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#4 - 2012-10-11 13:30:17 UTC
Mmmmmm.... economic pork!!!

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Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#5 - 2012-10-11 13:48:36 UTC
My first thought when I read this was how much money that would take out of Eve, after all, Hideo Kuze funded a revolution doing something very similar... Then I thought about it, and realized that in fictional future Japan, there are a lot more people than in New Eden.

But yeah, those cents allow for some real fine undercutting when it comes to "small" items, such as ammo, and the sort. I don't think it should be removed due to that.
Ivanov Pava
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-10-22 04:11:30 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:

It's digital money, it can do what it wants.

Digital money is an inanimate thing--it doesn't really want to do anything or anything else. You learn something new every day, eh!

Che Biko wrote:

I don't know if you're trolling,

And I don't know if you're a n00blet, but you would know IF you actually knew the word that you're using.

Quote:

but just in case you're not, maybe you should file a bug report?

Don't you tell me what to do! I'm following the instructions of a GM and not YOU, get it!

Goldensaver wrote:

yeah, those cents allow for some real fine undercutting when it comes to "small" items, such as ammo, and the sort. I don't think it should be removed due to that.

Yeah, that was one of the two logical options I noted.
Dread Pirate Pete
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-10-22 09:11:43 UTC
Removing isk cents and formatting prices so it's easy to spot people trying to charge billions instead of millions would be nice.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#8 - 2012-10-22 10:57:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
You're right, I looked it up, and you're not trolling in your OP. I don't know if you're serious though.

I was making a friendly suggestion in case you had some kind of problem, which is a lot less like telling someone what to do than what you're telling me. I used the word "maybe" and a questionmark at the end, clear indicators that I would leave it to your judgement wether or not to follow my suggestion.
And besides, if you can't tell if I'm a n00blet, you also can't tell if I'm a GM posting on his/her private account.

Also, as far as I can understand, your 2 logical options are:
1) Remove ISK-cents
2) Give the ability to use ISK-cents again.

As I and others pointed out, you can still use ISK-cents in the game as it is now, and we would like to have that ability for a long time to come. So we think option 1 is bad, and option 2 is the way it is now.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#9 - 2012-10-22 15:32:44 UTC
Ivanov Pava wrote:
It is virtually impossible to deal in monetary-units of single cents, in one-hundredths of an ISK, such as 0.09 ISK or less. As you know, the smallest possible unit that any player-character can deal in is a tenth of an ISK, i.e. 0.1 ISK, see?

No I absolutely do not see. I set prices to the cent ( 0.01 ) all the time. Never had an issue. And other players will set a price 0.01 less than mine all the time. I do not see your point at all.

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Ivanov Pava
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-10-22 16:12:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivanov Pava
Che Biko wrote:

And besides, if you can't tell if I'm a n00blet, you also can't tell if I'm a GM posting on his/her private account.

LOL seriously!? You gotta be kidding! LOL And YOU don't know if I'm Mr. Spock or the King of England, d00d! LMAO

Vincent Athena wrote:

I do not see your point at all.

Check your Wallet, mac--well do you see now?

Gosh, perhaps I should've said instead:

It is virtually impossible to PERSONALLY deal in monetary-units of single cents, in one-hundredths of an ISK, such as 0.09 ISK or less. As you know, the smallest possible unit that any player-character can PERSONALLY deal in is a tenth of an ISK, i.e. 0.1 ISK, see?

I'm editing the top-post accordingly.

So how come I used to be able to give another character less than 0.10 ISK, but can't now? ??? Why don't they just change that back? You've apparantly been around for a few years--surely you can remember that this could be done before, yes? Well I sure do remember it, yes!
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#11 - 2012-10-22 19:07:49 UTC
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Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#12 - 2012-10-22 22:49:24 UTC
All this fuss because you had to give 9 more cents?

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#13 - 2012-10-23 00:47:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
having to give other pLAYers th0se 9 CENTS extra makes turns me into a LOL L33t P$ycH0 too Evil

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Ivanov Pava
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-10-23 03:35:42 UTC
Yeah well ya know some players aren't actually worth 0.10 ISK, so you give them 0.01 ISK, maybe 0.02 ISK, if you really wanna.

I don't know why they changed that--they should totally change that back!
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#15 - 2012-10-23 17:00:59 UTC
I am totally serious. And yeah, I don't know who you are. I don't understand why you find that so incredibly funny, but I'm glad I could entertain you.

My wallet, should you care, ends with *.48 and I really don't care about the ability to send someone .01 ISK.
That's my .02 ISK.

FYI, you editing in the word "personally" makes no difference in the clarity, as I can personally deal in 0.01 ISK. "The ability to give someone 0.01 ISK" is a lot less likely to be misunderstood.
Ivanov Pava
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-10-23 20:00:50 UTC
Che Biko wrote:

I am totally serious.

Hehe yeah, okay, man, of course you are LOL

Quote:

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Yes, yes, thanks so very much for all the criticism, Che Guevara, but I think we all get it by now already, even you get it by now. But yeah, thanks so much anyway.

And the game-makers should totally bring that function back.