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Closing a massive isk sink?
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Archon Rhade
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-10-11 03:41:25 UTC
I know people arent particularly happy with the FW plex LP thing but why are people screaming so hard for a nerf?

Maybe I dont understand how it works? I thought you only got LP from such plexes. Then in turn you had to pay isk to an npc (aka a sink) in order to redeem your LP?

Was I wrong in assuming no isk came into the system as a whole? Yes you can earn billions in like 2 seconds i understand that but thats just circulating isk, its not from my understanding, an isk faucet?

So why are people screaming so hard about this? I think lower implant and faction prices coupled with the draining of isk from the overall economy wouldnt be a bad thing. Maybe I'm wrong.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-10-11 03:48:03 UTC
It's almost like pumping billions into your wallet by speed tanking FW complexes on a day-old alt is broken!

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-10-11 03:50:05 UTC
The only time isk comes into play with FW is when you redeem your LP for items that cost LP and ISK in the LP Store. The down side of FW is when you have T5 dumps, this could result in crushing a market for certain items as you have a rush to push these items on the market if buy orders aren't being filled.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#4 - 2012-10-11 03:54:16 UTC  |  Edited by: rodyas
Your right, orbiting a day new frigate around a complex doesn't generate anything.


Wait it does. Tons of LPs, seems wierd

Well here is another look at it. The person who redeems the faction item with lp doesn't put his isk in the isk sink. He puts YOUR isk in the ISK sink. So he ends up having more ISK, while you just spent ISK and will never get it back. Sucks doesn't it? That is as long as he doesn't sell to a loss, then he would be putting his ISK in the isk sink.

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Grumpymunky
Monkey Steals The Peach
#5 - 2012-10-11 03:55:12 UTC
How are they "closing the sink?" Will it no longer cost ISK to redeem your LP?

Post with your monkey.

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Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#6 - 2012-10-11 04:11:21 UTC
So if i speed tank an alt I can get LP doing circular motion....Shockedim inBig smile.
Cede Forster
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-10-11 04:12:46 UTC
Ah, we have reached stage 3:

Stage 1: Nothing is wrong with FW, they fixed it.
Stage 2: There is too much ISK, in other news: FW is a ISK sink
Stage 3: We should keep FW like it is.

Soon on a GD near your:

Stage 4: Well i guess it is okay to fix it now, i made my money and now you can not.
Smiknight
Smiknight Corporation
#8 - 2012-10-11 04:15:25 UTC
Isk sinks are good. That is all.
A reward devoid of risk is no reward at all, but is instead a handout.
Gorn Arming
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-10-11 05:22:08 UTC
Archon Rhade wrote:
I know people arent particularly happy with the FW plex LP thing but why are people screaming so hard for a nerf?

This is an amazing first sentence for a thread. How can anyone have such an utter lack of self awareness? It's like you've completely forgotten the first clause in your sentence by the time you're midway through.
Taiwanistan
#10 - 2012-10-11 05:24:52 UTC
The lp hose broke the original isk sink dummy.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-10-11 05:37:20 UTC
Smiknight wrote:
Isk sinks are good. That is all.

Not when said ISK sinks also redistribute massive amounts of ISK towards a small group of players who expend little effort in making it.

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#12 - 2012-10-11 05:38:59 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
THE REAL EFFING PROBLEM IS THAT THERE IS A 75% REDUCTION IN THE ISK SINK PER ITEM AT TIER 5 YA DUMMIES!!!! IT IS RUINING THE LP STORES ISK SINK FUNCTION IN THE LONG RUNAttentionAttention Attribute implants especially are not that elastic in demand!
I have ABSOLUTELY no problem with the LP reduction of the tiers but when you reduce the ISK for the different tiers the ISK sink gets screwed with BIG TIME!
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Gorn Arming
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-10-11 05:51:22 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
THE REAL EFFING PROBLEM IS THAT THERE IS A 75% REDUCTION IN THE ISK SINK PER ITEM AT TIER 5 YA DUMMIES!!!! IT IS RUINING THE LP STORES ISK SINK FUNCTION IN THE LONG RUNAttentionAttention Attribute implants especially are not that elastic in demand!
I have ABSOLUTELY no problem with the LP reduction of the tiers but when you reduce the ISK for the different tiers the ISK sink gets screwed with BIG TIME!

This has been refuted like a dozen times in other threads. Is that golden hat thing on your head there to cover up the lobotomy scars, or were you born this way?
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#14 - 2012-10-11 06:18:49 UTC
Archon Rhade wrote:
I know people arent particularly happy with the FW plex LP thing but why are people screaming so hard for a nerf?

Maybe I dont understand how it works? I thought you only got LP from such plexes. Then in turn you had to pay isk to an npc (aka a sink) in order to redeem your LP?

Was I wrong in assuming no isk came into the system as a whole? Yes you can earn billions in like 2 seconds i understand that but thats just circulating isk, its not from my understanding, an isk faucet?

So why are people screaming so hard about this? I think lower implant and faction prices coupled with the draining of isk from the overall economy wouldnt be a bad thing. Maybe I'm wrong.


You are correct. It's not to say it isn't hurting the game though. The problem with FW is it was supposed to be a PvP system, not a subtle NAP train, LP farm. If you look at the one year price history on any Navy ship though there isn't that much suggesting it's the culprit. My guess, this is a red herring. I'm sure there is some LP farming but I think it's a very closed circuit and select group of people doing it, not impacting EVE as much as some want us to believe.
Darth Nupis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-10-11 06:40:27 UTC
It really does not matter at this point since it is going to be nerfed. The devs have enough information to make the proper adjustments to the afk LP farming deal.
Seniae 0n3
#16 - 2012-10-11 06:44:31 UTC
To stick to the factional warfare story ... there is no real warfare. Most FW is Caldari and there are hardly any Gallente defending or conquering. So yes no war targets is a free orbit around the plex. When you do encounter a few war targets on your plexes then yes it starts to become fun.
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#17 - 2012-10-11 06:51:41 UTC
Why don't those items redeemed for LP become cheap as hell?

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-10-11 06:53:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Archon Rhade wrote:
I know people arent particularly happy with the FW plex LP thing but why are people screaming so hard for a nerf?

Maybe I dont understand how it works? I thought you only got LP from such plexes. Then in turn you had to pay isk to an npc (aka a sink) in order to redeem your LP?

Was I wrong in assuming no isk came into the system as a whole? Yes you can earn billions in like 2 seconds i understand that but thats just circulating isk, its not from my understanding, an isk faucet?

So why are people screaming so hard about this? I think lower implant and faction prices coupled with the draining of isk from the overall economy wouldnt be a bad thing. Maybe I'm wrong.

Not everything can be justified by the fact that it doesn't print ISK. Sometimes it's about effort/gain.

Grumpymunky wrote:
How are they "closing the sink?" Will it no longer cost ISK to redeem your LP?

Probably new FW payout rules probably will reduce number of LP store purchases, thus reducing amount of ISK sunk in it...

Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:
Why don't those items redeemed for LP become cheap as hell?

I can only guess that demand for implants/ammo/ships is still pretty high.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#19 - 2012-10-11 06:56:55 UTC
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:
Why don't those items redeemed for LP become cheap as hell?


They do. SNI dropped from 330m to 230m in about 3 days about a month ago.

Oh god.
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-10-11 07:32:29 UTC
First of all, it's not closing it entirely. FW LP payouts will still be there. And it'll probably remain the primary income of many FW regulars.

Secondly, I don't think it's as "massive" as you think it is. FW LP cash-outs tend to occur only during t5 (or t4) pushes. Such pushes only occur once every few weeks, if that. Sure, there's a metric ton of activity during that time, but I suspect even that is dwarfed by the constant LP cash-outs of 24-7 hi-sec mission-running.
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