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If I app'd to your corp, what would you want me training?

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Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2012-10-08 02:52:21 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Cage Man wrote:
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Nothing in particular, any corp that tells you what to train for is not worth your time and if you need to be told what to train you are not worth any ones time.

Best bet is to have an aim and a gameplay style and train for it, everything else is pretty much common sense.


VERY surprised to see this from someone from a prominent WH corp like verge..... Living in WH's is all about Team work, this attitude is counter productive.

Minmatar cruiser 5.. fly rapier for escalations
loki... options for armor or shield T3
moros or revelation... escalations, pos bashing, etc


How is it counter productive?

Its complete common sense to have scanning skills, ability to use cov ops and be able to fly at least 1 race of BC before you even think about applying for any WH corp. Everything else can be worked towards.

Your attitude is counter productive to what WH's are all about, you just suggested he train for a bunch of carebear ships and a dread for pos bashing.

If someone wants to join our corp and has no idea what to train then he has not done near enough research, he should already know what to aim for and what to touch up on.

Sounds like your one of those scrub ****** fucks that pos spin whenever probes pop on scan, take your bad advice and go **** yourself with it.


LMAO..... someone having a bad day... you the one who said below.... any decent WH corp will have minimum requirements...

Nothing in particular, any corp that tells you what to train for is not worth your time and if you need to be told what to train you are not worth any ones time.

BTW... a loki is not a wh carebearing ship... but you know that cause you know everything.. Roll
Well at least you offered up some decent advice within your rage post
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#22 - 2012-10-08 14:53:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Gibbo3771
Cage Man wrote:
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Cage Man wrote:
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Nothing in particular, any corp that tells you what to train for is not worth your time and if you need to be told what to train you are not worth any ones time.

Best bet is to have an aim and a gameplay style and train for it, everything else is pretty much common sense.


VERY surprised to see this from someone from a prominent WH corp like verge..... Living in WH's is all about Team work, this attitude is counter productive.

Minmatar cruiser 5.. fly rapier for escalations
loki... options for armor or shield T3
moros or revelation... escalations, pos bashing, etc


How is it counter productive?

Its complete common sense to have scanning skills, ability to use cov ops and be able to fly at least 1 race of BC before you even think about applying for any WH corp. Everything else can be worked towards.

Your attitude is counter productive to what WH's are all about, you just suggested he train for a bunch of carebear ships and a dread for pos bashing.

If someone wants to join our corp and has no idea what to train then he has not done near enough research, he should already know what to aim for and what to touch up on.

Sounds like your one of those scrub ****** fucks that pos spin whenever probes pop on scan, take your bad advice and go **** yourself with it.


LMAO..... someone having a bad day... you the one who said below.... any decent WH corp will have minimum requirements...

Nothing in particular, any corp that tells you what to train for is not worth your time and if you need to be told what to train you are not worth any ones time.

BTW... a loki is not a wh carebearing ship... but you know that cause you know everything.. Roll
Well at least you offered up some decent advice within your rage post


Pfft bad day :p caught me on a good day lol.

I am just being realistic, even we have minimum requirements to be able to join but those requirements are pretty damn obvious and there is no way someone should need to be told to train scanning skills to join the corp, to be able to use covert ops and at least fly a half decent fit BC with t2 weapons.

I stand by my statement

"Nothing in particular, any corp that tells you what to train for is not worth your time and if you need to be told what to train you are not worth any ones time"

What I mean by this, if you go to join the corp and they hit out with **** like "you need astrometrics 5, a max skilled proteus/loki skillset, covert ops 5 etc etc" then that corp is most likely not worth your time, why join a corp that is going to tell you how to play? where is the fun in that? I understand it helps with the efficiency of gangs as a whole but being ordered what to train is where anyone with half a brain should draw the line.

Someone with no intitative to learn, that constantly needs to be told what to do is not worth ANYONES time.
The sooner corps realise this the better they will become at pvp as a team.

Also for the record, I dont know everything :p just that no one suggests a loki over a proteus for gangs lol. Ya big bear.
Bodega Cat
Expedition Spartica
#23 - 2012-10-10 17:38:39 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
[quote=Cage Man][quote=Gibbo3771]

If someone wants to join our corp and has no idea what to train then he has not done near enough research, he should already know what to aim for and what to touch up on.




Hey D-bag...

This thread IS research.
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-10-10 17:59:12 UTC
Also, check the KB of the corp(s) you are interested in and see what they fly, check their loss mail fittings etc. Give you a pretty solid idea, but it is WH's so yes some of it goes without saying such as scanning, cov ops, core fitting skills, t2 guns, t2 shield/armor (depending on corp obviously.) But I'll say again Loki is a great versatile t3 to train for if you cant fly a t3 already.
Aethis Rex
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-10-10 18:49:44 UTC
W/H corps are not cookie cutter, there are different corps for different folks. Some are heavy PVE and POS up at the sign of a k162, others jump with pure eagerness to a new hole.

Gibbo is right when he discusses about doing your homework first. Getting into an established corp requires patients and persistence. The good corps will recruit you for your strengths and will not mold you into a Puppet. Talon asks, "What you bring to the table?" and allocate you to the right corp within the alliance, instead of molding you into something you will never excel at.

Utsen Dari
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-10-10 20:06:22 UTC
Agreed with the Aquila guy that scan skills, cloaking and a well-fit midsize combat ship of some kind pretty much covers it as far as fun goes. Everything else is how you want to develop your character.

Also agreed that the kind of applicant who needs authoritarian orders to function won't help the corp very much. My corp believes strongly that wormspace is all about taking initiative and operating independently. Somebody has to explore and go find that content, after all.

That said, of course unified fleet doctrines are more effective than pots n' pans fleets, when it comes to large actions. But I think the best way to encourage such a thing is to lead by example ("look how awesome those XYZ ships performed! you guys should train for one!") rather than by fiat.

In conclusion, as a corpmate... I would much rather have a person behind the keys who had interesting things to say on voice comms, who was not a jerk, and who liked spending the time going out to find stuff instead of waiting for content to be served to them... than a person who owns a character that can fly all the ships, kill all the hostiles and hoover all the isk, if I had to choose.
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#27 - 2012-10-13 11:16:11 UTC
Utsen Dari wrote:


That said, of course unified fleet doctrines are more effective than pots n' pans fleets, when it comes to large actions. But I think the best way to encourage such a thing is to lead by example ("look how awesome those XYZ ships performed! you guys should train for one!") rather than by fiat.


That is pretty much how we operate, someone in the corp brings a new fit/ship to a other wise regular roam/gank and then we brag about it, over the course of a month or so everyone seems to have one.

When Talos first came out, me and a couple other guys used them to great use over our usual nano podla drake fleet and we realise how much they **** carriers.

A month later, everyone could fly them lol.
Kryxal
Wing Born Echos
#28 - 2012-10-18 15:34:45 UTC
Here's Future Corps' requirements: Requirements

There are specific skills, there are "be able to fly this sort of ship" requirements that are a bit more flexible, so it's not all cookie-cutter, and it gives an idea of doctrine used.

As for ship types that are also useful:

HIC (bubbles and relatively safe WH-crashing)
DIC (probe-type bubbles and pretty good scan res)
Inty (insta-locker for WH camps - how many times have you wished for one of those?)
Logi (both PvE and PvP uses, but can turn an even fight into a cakewalk)
E-War (you can probably get into an ECM Tengu easily enough, and they can be fairly effective)
Command Ships / Warfare Link T3s (boosts are big)

Also, if you're going into a C5-6:

Caps (escalations are where the real ISK is in the combat sites)
Webbers (ships just MELT under dread fire if webbed to nothing)

Still and all, the basics are probably enough to join, then you can see what your corp tends to need and direct your training to fill holes you find.
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