Skill Discussions

Because i've pushed them to their possible limits over the years and know fully well what they can and can't do, hence boredom sets in eventually in what is by definition, a space ship game above all else?


And no, a choice isn't a self imposed limitation, as a limitation implies a narrow set of options( or only 1) to choose from....That's a limitation, and a choice can be made from dozens of possibilities....That's the difference.

First, they'd be new skills to completely new ships with completely new roles and different bonuses, and not skills applying to existing ships at all.

Second,let's see the logistics bonuses one by one shall we:

Amarr logistics cruiser: 15% reduction to capacitor use for energy transfer array and remote armor reps.
gallente logistics cruiser: 15% reduction to capacitor use and 10% bonus to tracking links.
caldari logistics cruiser: 15% reduction in capcitor use in shield transport and energy transfer arrays.
Minmatar logistics cruiser : 10% to tracking link efficiency and 15% to shield transport capacitor use.


Do you see a pattern where the gains are primarily aimed for the ship not to run out of cap while doing it's role in a gang, cause i do...Let's move on to recons shall we, as far as bonuses for the recon skill alone:

Amarr:
Curse: 40% bonus to neutralisers and nosferatu range, and 20% bonus to the amount they pull off the target ship
Pilgrim: 20% to neut and nos transfer amount and 96~100% CPU reduction when fitted with a covert ops cloak.


Gallente:
Arazu: 20% range to warp disruptor range and 96~100% CPU reduction need when fitted with a covert ops cloak.
Lachesis: 20% range to warp disruptor range and 5% to heavy missile and heavy assault missile damage.

Caldari:
Falcon:30% to ECM target jammer strenght and 96~100% reduction to CPU requirements for covert ops cloak.
Rook: 30% bonus to ECM target jammer strenght per level and 10% heavy missile and heavy assault missile speed.

Minmatar:
Huginn: 60% bonus to webbing range and 5% to heavy missile launcher and heavy missile assault launcher rate of fire.
Rapier: 60% bonus to webbing range and 96~100% reduction of CPU use for covert ops cloak.


Again, ships intended for small gangs where the target ship is either Nossed, webbed, ECM jammed or warp disrupted depending on the race you use....Nice to use in those situations i suppose, but since fighting in eve is moving on to much larger fleet operations, using much larger ships some of wich are immune to any of this( titans, super carriers, dreads in siege), their appeal is limited to certain scenarios and where capital ships can't operate above all else.

And to ease your mind, both the recon and logi skill will be maxed out before Xmas anyhow.....


As far as the definition of limitation is, let's apply examples related to eve shall we?

1: I could have chosen to stick to a single race when it comes to flying ships, and i didn't.
2: i could have chosen to stick to a single weapon type, and i didn't.
3: i could have simply chosen to limit myself to certain sizes of ships, be it frigates, destroyers and ignored the rest, but i didn't.
4: i Could have simply focused on mining activities, but i didn't.
5: i could have focused just on flying freighters and jump freighters, but i didn't.
6: i could have ignored all the subcapital ships and zoomed straight into capital and super capital ships ASAP.
7: i could have ignored all the T2 ships regardless of race, but i didn't.
8: i could have igonred all the Tech 3 ships, regardless of race, but i didn't.


I could go citing even more examples, but i think it's clear that i chose to train all of them in a single char....So how the hell is this a limitation again?

Well if it's a limit to be able to fly every ship in the game equally well, wich will take 12+ years, represents the largest skills trees available in the game as it is a space ship game( shocker i know), and doing all that with a single char, then i'm limited alright...You are persistent when i give you examples about limitations in game in my last post and you simply ignore them...

That's up to CCP to decide, but i already do know one thing, if it's something even more powerfull than current ships, that requires much more time intensive skills and furthers the gap between vets and newer players, we already know you'll be completely against it anyhow...



Short memory seems to be a trait with you, as i mentioned in a previous post i was in a duel with another battleship a couple of days ago, and i destroyed his ship, yet i didn't post a killmail and neither did he...Oups.

Shows the accuracy of most killboards...



If you had played back then, wich you obviously didn't, when CCP did the presentation that they were undertaking walking in stations and dust, they devided their available staff where the majority were working on those 2 projects, and only a small minority was left for EVE itself, and primarily dedicated to fixing bugs and not adding content, or adding it very slowly at most....


Since old players keep on playing and training skills, it makes it that much easier to hit limits, if CCP's attention is elsewhere...Get it now?




It's hot half the skills, it's 1/3rd of the skills don't directly relate to flying ships.....So if i'm a pilot with 260~270 million skills, and 130 left over that have nothing to do with activities i'm interested in, so be it i can live with that "limit"....

Here's what i know....I'm discussing this with a char that's barely a year old, and your main is only 3 1/2 years old, so as far as i know i've been playing the game for far longer than you even knew it even existed in the first place, at least until you prove otherwise in a verifiable manner.



You completely ignored the point i made with CCP's redistribution of staff to other projects at the expense of EVE itself, wich delayed the introduction of new skills and ships, while old players kept on training skills and getting closer to the limits within the game, because it obviously doesn't suit your assinine comments/ replies and keep on repeating **** like a broken record.



You now insisting on killmails, when for the first couple of years in the game, no killboards existed anyhow..., so i'm done talking with noobs like you.

So? Knowledge of the game mechanics of EVE 4+ years ago isn't particularly useful to a discussion of the mechanics of the game today.

So? My point is that there aren't any new skills that are needed and that appeasing picky SP collectors (you) isn't a particularly worthwhile reason to add new skills. Is there a gameplay niche that you feel is unfilled that should be filled with new skills (reminder, "Bigger Numbers" is not a valid niche)?

Sounds like you didn't actually read what I've said. I am insisting on some evidence of activity, evidence that you have practical experience flying the ships you claim to know so much about. You Pooh-poohed Recon and Logi 5 as "anti-neuting, small gang skills" when they're some of the most important L5 skills a subcap pilot can train. That's evidence that you don't have practical experience flying either ship. How about this, since you say you know so much about what fleets do, when was the last time you were in a fleet fight, who were you fighting, and where was it?

Ok i've read 1/2 this thread and now its just becoming more of the same....

I've only played about 6 months and have 22 accounts that i'm paying for with plex I buy with isk... so how is it that 9 year toons are still paying real money....


I say CCP is focussing resources towards the players still paying real money, and I doubt many 9 year guys are doing that.

Don't get me wrong, the vets contribute greatly to the game with mining, building, etc. But if I was CCP, I would certainly be catering to noobs myself as they are paying the cash, and find ways to lengthen that average subscription time past 9 months.

I'm actually in favor of more skills. I don't think more skills necessarily widen any significant gaps because many new skills could be trained by new players... like the underused target spectrum breaker.


A bit of free advice, for what it's worth, is to train those science/indy skills and find ways to make some good passive isk on all 3 slots on your one account and make some more.

If you're really that unhappy, sell the toon for some isk and start all over with a nice bankroll.

I'd like to see more social skills. I can't think of anything in particular, but it's kind of a wasted area to remap to or buy an expensive implant for.

Bitter Vet (rank10)

This skill allows bitter vets to train a duplicate skill they have already trained to level 5.
Bitter Vet duplicated skills can be sold on the market and through contracts.

Skills boosted by bitter vet assimilation can no longer be duplicated.

This skill can not be trained on trial accounts.
Trial accounts can not train Bitter Vet duplicated skills.

Prerequisites - Must have trained all skills to level 5 in a category prior to bitter vet duplication.


Bitter Vet - Assimilation (rank15)

This skill allows the bitter vet skill to be assimilated by the host. The assimilated skill will boost the normal skill by 1% for each level.

WARNING!!!! - Once assimilation has started it consumes the bitter vet skill and training can not be stopped. May be paused briefly to allow the use of implants and jump clones.

WARNING!!!! - If the host is destroyed while assimilating a bitter vet skill one level of training is lost.

This skill can not be trained on trial accounts.

Prerequisites - Bitter Vet 5



There you happy? something new to train when you run out of skills.

Allows you to boost your own skills once or sell off pre trained skills.

i wouldn't

What does that add to the game besides a power creep that puts older players farther ahead of new players?
I'm not saying that it doesn't add anything, just that I don't see it.