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Meta-Gaming?
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kosmiq
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-10-10 15:11:11 UTC
I have heard this term "meta-gaming" when reading about Eve and Null Sec corporations but I do not know what exactly that means. Could someone please explain it? Thanks
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-10-10 15:12:59 UTC
It roughly translates to "trying to achieve ingame goals by using out-of-game methods".

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kosmiq
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-10-10 15:16:37 UTC
Beckie DeLey wrote:
It roughly translates to "trying to achieve ingame goals by using out-of-game methods".


are these methods legal or can you get in trouble with CCP??
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#4 - 2012-10-10 15:46:19 UTC
kosmiq wrote:
Beckie DeLey wrote:
It roughly translates to "trying to achieve ingame goals by using out-of-game methods".


are these methods legal or can you get in trouble with CCP??


That depends on the method, I guess.
Cutting powerlines to DC a Titan-pilot during a fleet fight for example, is quite illegal in most countries... Cool

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kosmiq
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-10-10 15:58:41 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
kosmiq wrote:
Beckie DeLey wrote:
It roughly translates to "trying to achieve ingame goals by using out-of-game methods".


are these methods legal or can you get in trouble with CCP??


That depends on the method, I guess.
Cutting powerlines to DC a Titan-pilot during a fleet fight for example, is quite illegal in most countries... Cool


lol ah ok I see what this means now. Thank you for answers
raukosen
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-10-10 16:23:13 UTC
It usually refers to spying, DDoSing teamspeak servers, shutting down enemy pos shields from the inside and that sort of thing.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-10-10 17:12:12 UTC
raukosen wrote:
It usually refers to spying, DDoSing teamspeak servers, shutting down enemy pos shields from the inside and that sort of thing.


^ this.

Also an example: Propaganda posts on news sites about EVE like Evenews24 etc.

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-10-10 18:09:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Basically any action used to accomplish in-game goals without using in-game features can be described as 'metagaming'. In the EVE community however, this is usually referring to social construct/social engineering. Surfing dotlan's parsed API data for solar system activity or digging through EVE-Kill killmail data for an enemy's fleet doctrine to develop a counter could technically be considered 'metagaming' as well, but in normal discourse it usually is just considered part and parcel of EVE 'prepwork'.

Spying on someone's teamspeak server, copy and pasting an alliance's internal forums and communications, constructing a self-serving narrative that boosts ones' alliance, these are common examples of 'metagaming'.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#9 - 2012-10-10 18:10:24 UTC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming
Rather broad. Can even cover marketing sites/apps such as Aura.

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kosmiq
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-10-10 18:13:49 UTC
I had never heard this term before playing Eve. Thank you for all the answers, I understand now
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-10-10 18:34:19 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
kosmiq wrote:
Beckie DeLey wrote:
It roughly translates to "trying to achieve ingame goals by using out-of-game methods".


are these methods legal or can you get in trouble with CCP??


That depends on the method, I guess.
Cutting powerlines to DC a Titan-pilot during a fleet fight for example, is quite illegal in most countries... Cool


I'm putting this down as a possible titan countermeasure Big smile

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#12 - 2012-10-10 19:38:45 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
kosmiq wrote:
Beckie DeLey wrote:
It roughly translates to "trying to achieve ingame goals by using out-of-game methods".


are these methods legal or can you get in trouble with CCP??


That depends on the method, I guess.
Cutting powerlines to DC a Titan-pilot during a fleet fight for example, is quite illegal in most countries... Cool


I'm putting this down as a possible titan countermeasure Big smile

If I remember correctly, it's been used before. The authorities got involved, and someone got a banhammer.

Or so the story goes, I guess. I'm much too young to have "been there".

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Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-10-10 19:48:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tao Dolcino
Metagaming is not specific to EVE. You will also often hear of it among the roleplayers. In this case it means that you player, use some knowledge your character is not supposed to know. A simple example : you player is in real life a specialist of computers, but your character not at all. and yet you'll make your character use your knowledge. metagaming.
Another example : you roleplay with some friends, and out of character you have heard that this and that has happened to another character. Your character has not the knowledge of it, and yet you make your character behaving like if he knew that, even if as character he's not supposed to know it. metagaming ;)
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-10-11 00:33:00 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
kosmiq wrote:
Beckie DeLey wrote:
It roughly translates to "trying to achieve ingame goals by using out-of-game methods".


are these methods legal or can you get in trouble with CCP??


That depends on the method, I guess.
Cutting powerlines to DC a Titan-pilot during a fleet fight for example, is quite illegal in most countries... Cool


I'm putting this down as a possible titan countermeasure Big smile

If I remember correctly, it's been used before. The authorities got involved, and someone got a banhammer.

Or so the story goes, I guess. I'm much too young to have "been there".


I remember BoB crashing the node to save their titan, never heard about the powerline thing before and you'd think that would be all over as that is something the Eve forums would consider conversation worthy Shocked

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Evelyn Meiyi
Corvidae Trading and Holding
#15 - 2012-10-12 04:41:26 UTC
There are two variations on the phrase 'metagame'; the first one, as has been mentioned, refers to using information that your charcter wouldn't know ('Burg the Barbarian won't go down that dark, unexplored hall -- there were ogres in there last time' -- how would Burg know that?).

The other meaning is usually referred to as the metagame, and refers specifically to game mechanics and strategies; essentially 'the game beneath the game', the metagame typically changes from month to month as players discover new combinations of units or abilities. Naturally, a lot of high-level players will pay close attention to the metagame for its strategic value (preparing counters to the most effective tactics in a given month, for example).
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#16 - 2012-10-13 04:54:05 UTC
kosmiq wrote:
I have heard this term "meta-gaming" when reading about Eve and Null Sec corporations but I do not know what exactly that means. Could someone please explain it? Thanks


it is a regular course of business for null sec alliances to have spy alts in other alliances listening to comms, squad warping fleet members to the wrong places, lighting cynos for enemy super carriers to the wrong system.... and other fun things of that sort. CCP has shown no interest in the past to any of these things as far as i am aware. Most of the time spies sit in fleet and just relay what the other fleets numbers, fleet comps, position, etc is to the enemy.