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what is up with the plex in eve.
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#121 - 2012-10-10 13:57:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
IF CCP really wanted to lower the ingame price of plex, then they would do plex sales to flood the market and tank the price. However what CCP wants seems to be the opposite, they add more uses to plex in order to try and increase the demand. CCP doesn't care that people will not be able to fund their 4 other alts on plexes anymore.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#122 - 2012-10-10 13:58:37 UTC
Skurja Volpar wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:


Except when everyone stops buying plex because they refuse, or can't afford, to pay that much for it. Then people start abandoning their alts and CCP loses money.


True but lack of demand will cause the prices go down pretty rapidly.



The market will realign at some point. If people dont get to greedy it wont be that bad. If I pay $15.00 get a plex and the bottom drops out, what have I lost? Nothing I can use it to pay for a month game time. If I buy a hundred and the bottom drops out then thats going to hurt. I would be willing to bet that poeple hording the plex arent doing it with real money but with isk. Still the plex has to be injected into the market with real money at some point. Its just being manipulated by isk. Someone will get caught with a lot of plex and it wont be me.
Movement Runner
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2012-10-10 14:04:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Movement Runner
I guess I could fork over $15/mth for my a main account. But not for my alt account.
I've grown used to operating & relying on 2 accounts for missions, mining etc.

It would take me an entire month of slaving away in game, to afford the current price of one 30day plex. I don't see how I can ever advance in game at this rate. I always thought 350m isk for a plex was okay, 500m pushing it but 600+?? No way.. Why can't ccp just put a cap limit?

So ultimately I may decide to stop playing when my isk runs out.
Skurja Volpar
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#124 - 2012-10-10 14:07:28 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:


Yes, but will that be enough to make people want to dust off their inactive alts after they've become comfortable with using just one account again? I think the community would need some incentive, probably in the form of free game time (essentially countering the profits CCP have made from this current Plex boom).

This is all speculation though. I'm not an expert and I have no actual data. I'm sure CCP have spent many hours running the figures.


Depends how fast the markets react, but really I think the moment people stop buying, the price will go down so quickly to a level people are happy with that those alts won't have reached the end of their playtime before they get replexed. If theres as many stockpilers as people are saying the market will be flooded.

But yeah, speculation all round.
Seniae 0n3
#125 - 2012-10-10 14:09:39 UTC
I myself run only 2 accounts and I've paid for them. A lot of people run more than 2 accoutns.

If you MUST or HAVE to put your alts on standby ... I mean you only have to pay twice a year since your account will stay for 6 months after you quit paying. You can set your alts at non active untill the PLEX prices hit the price you are willing to pay. So yeah get used to playing one or two accounts only :).
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#126 - 2012-10-10 14:17:37 UTC
lucious terrinous wrote:
I have 1 account i pay real life money for and 2 i pay with for plex. i mean 627 million isk for a plex now i remember just a couple of years ago that plex was only 350 million a piece. So why are they so high now, the current price of plex is going to make it next to impossible for some players to make that much isk in a month. Some of the eve community love this game as do i but we do not have the real life funds to be able to pay for accounts.

i guess my question is why isnt ccp doing something about the huge inflation of plex? Make it at least a little easier for players of eve to plex thier accounts.


The price has nothing to do with CCP
CCP sell plex (or GTC's which are turned into plex) for cold hard £


players trade those plex ingame for ISK
blame eve players, not CCP
the ISK value of PLEX is uncontrollable by CCP

plex has 2 subjective values
the maximum price in ISK someone is prepared to pay for it
the minimum price in ISK someone is prepared to sell it for
which part of these 2 values can CCP control ??
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#127 - 2012-10-10 14:20:17 UTC
lucious terrinous wrote:
but honestly if the prices of plex keeps going up eve online will lose players because they dont have the time or the rl money to play the game anymore.

So?

Tough luck for them, EVE isn't a human right or someting...

Can't pay you don't play...
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#128 - 2012-10-10 14:25:11 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
the maximum price in ISK someone is prepared to pay for it
the minimum price in ISK someone is prepared to sell it for
which part of these 2 values can CCP control ??


Both of them. Only CCP can regulate the rate at which the economy becomes saturated with ISK. It takes players to generate the ISK, but they only generate it using the systems CCP have put in place for them. By having the power to tweak numbers, CCP have pretty much full control of the economy.

Oh god.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#129 - 2012-10-10 14:28:36 UTC
Hit the billion mark you bastard Plex !! -hit the 1billion mark !! NAO !!

Need to set free of isk some dudes with private isk fountain. And they will not even notice they changed that plex for 1B, so it's win win.

brb
Darth Nupis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2012-10-10 14:34:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Nupis
Plex prices are being affected by the rampant ISK farming in FW as has been stated. Look at the implant market for examples of conversion of FW LP. Also that half LP deal is being exploited as well. As soon as CCP nerfs the FW ISK faucet next issue, things will settle down a bit.

Unfortunately, it may take some time for things to settle down.
Guy Nextdoor
#131 - 2012-10-10 14:35:56 UTC
Darth Nupis wrote:
Plex prices are being affected by the rampant ISK farming in FW as has been stated. Look at the implant market for examples of conversion of FW LP. Also that half LP dealis being exploited as well. As soon as CCP nerfs the FW ISK faucet next issue, things will settle down a bit.

Unfortunately, it may take some time for things to settle down.



FW is a isk sink

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Darth Nupis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#132 - 2012-10-10 14:36:46 UTC
How so?
Guy Nextdoor
#133 - 2012-10-10 14:39:28 UTC
i dont do fw but for what i know u get stuff for lp, then sell on market, so money comes from market...

I'm next door watching you undress
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#134 - 2012-10-10 14:39:59 UTC
Darth Nupis wrote:
How so?


FW doesn't actually create much isk only LP. Only way to cash out is buying stuff off LP market which usually costs LP+ISK. So FW only moves isk around, it doesn't actually create any and it removes it.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Guy Nextdoor
#135 - 2012-10-10 14:44:43 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Darth Nupis wrote:
How so?


FW doesn't actually create much isk only LP. Only way to cash out is buying stuff off LP market which usually costs LP+ISK. So FW only moves isk around, it doesn't actually create any and it removes it.


so actually FW is a sink, faucets are bounties, insurance money, NPC buy orders and things alike, stuff that give you pure isk

I'm next door watching you undress
Darth Nupis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#136 - 2012-10-10 14:44:58 UTC
Yes I get all that, but the point is the exploit in FW allows for more LP/ISK transfers and that unusual amount of ISK generated from the exploited LP is partially part of the inflation in plex prices.

I know this from several people that are doing it. FW is generating way too much LP because of the exploit and everyone being honest knows this and that is why CCP is nerfing the LP exploit.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#137 - 2012-10-10 14:50:34 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
the maximum price in ISK someone is prepared to pay for it
the minimum price in ISK someone is prepared to sell it for
which part of these 2 values can CCP control ??


Both of them. Only CCP can regulate the rate at which the economy becomes saturated with ISK. It takes players to generate the ISK, but they only generate it using the systems CCP have put in place for them. By having the power to tweak numbers, CCP have pretty much full control of the economy.


Yes they control the FLOW of ISK into the game ...
Yes they control the isk-sinks to remove isk out of the game.
You control what you do with that ISK once it's in your wallet.

They cannot control what value you, I or anyone else personally assign to an item.
There is no direct form of comparison between the ISK and a Dollar
GTC is bought for Dollars, converted into PLEX and TRADED for ISK
YOU decide it's value.
YOU are responsible for the price of PLEX.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#138 - 2012-10-10 14:51:33 UTC
Darth Nupis wrote:
Yes I get all that, but the point is the exploit in FW allows for more LP/ISK transfers and that unusual amount of ISK generated from the exploited LP is partially part of the inflation in plex prices.

I know this from several people that are doing it. FW is generating way too much LP because of the exploit and everyone being honest knows this and that is why CCP is nerfing the LP exploit.


The amount of LP FW is producing shouldn't directly affect inflation or plex prices*. It only affects wealth distribution within New Eden, since someone needs to buy all those LP items. Overall however it doesn't inflate isk value which would lead to higher prices.


*This would imply that FW members aren't manipulating the plex market by hoarding plexes to inflate the price.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Darth Nupis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2012-10-10 14:58:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Nupis
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
The amount of LP FW is producing shouldn't directly affect inflation or plex prices*. It only affects wealth distribution within New Eden, since someone needs to buy all those LP items. Overall however it doesn't inflate isk value which would lead to higher prices.


*This would imply that FW members aren't manipulating the plex market by hoarding plexes to inflate the price.


First please don't hit me with your pimp cane. Big smile

What the guy told me was there is an "exploit" in FW that allows people to essential orbit a beacon for 15 minutes kill nothing and collect LP. He says he has new FW alts that he does this with AFK. He then waits for some kind of system control 5 deal that allows you to purchase stuff for half the normal LP.

He and others then sink that overly large amount of "exploited" LP into implants(check the happenings over the past three months in implants to confirm), and then rack up the larger than normal amount of ISK from those sales.

It is not the only factor but it "IS" a factor AND more importantly an "exploit" that CCP is aware of and "IS" going to nerf come next issue period.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#140 - 2012-10-10 15:03:09 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Darth Nupis wrote:

What the guy told me was there is an "exploit" GROSS GAME MECHANIC WORKING AS INTENDED in FW that allows people to essential orbit a beacon for 15 minutes kill nothing and collect LP. He says he has new FW alts that he does this with AFK. He then waits for some kind of system control 5 deal that allows you to purchase stuff for half the normal LP. 75% NORMAL LP COST AND 75% NORMAL ISK COST


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