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Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#21 - 2012-10-10 13:50:25 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Can flipping is getting a massive boost, hell you can flip your own alts can and become a target for any idiot in eve. It will be epic.


That's an exercise in consensual pvp - putting cans in front of jita undock is not what im talking about -- imo thats not can flipping. "True" can flipping involved getting someone to engage in pvp when they really didnt want to or expect to. And besides ccp is putting in a lock that is defaulted to from the start that will prevent you from flipping a can in empire - so I doubt there is going to be a boost to can flipping - its just going to be reduced to consensual fights.


What exactly is the downside? You can still flip just the same except now its much easier to attract attention.


You have to have cans to flip. In case you havent noticed, the barge changes rendered can mining obsolete. The current fotom is reterivers for the afk miner and macks for everyone else.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#22 - 2012-10-10 13:50:29 UTC
Torvin Yulus wrote:


did i offend you goonie?


If you think I'm a goon then you really are daft.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#23 - 2012-10-10 13:55:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Doddy wrote:

What exactly is the downside? You can still flip just the same except now its much easier to attract attention.

I take it you've never actually flipped a can, huh?

Here is what would happen if someone in a system I was in got suspect flagged by doing normal canflipping (taking a can from a miner and dumping it back out) under crimewatch 2. Someone else from my corp would decloak in their sensor boosting stealth bomber and point them then I'd warp in from a pounce in my tornado and alpha them.

You see the difference between that and being able to identify who might actually come and shoot you based on their corp membership?
Robert De'Arneth
#24 - 2012-10-10 14:03:42 UTC
I am going to enjoy the changes because slime like you can no longer abuse a long broken game mechanic, I hope to see more tears from patehtic wannabes like you. I have always found pond scum that hunt noobs because they have no idea what the game mechanics were the bottom rung in EVE. That is my take on it.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Doddy
Excidium.
#25 - 2012-10-10 14:10:31 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Can flipping is getting a massive boost, hell you can flip your own alts can and become a target for any idiot in eve. It will be epic.


That's an exercise in consensual pvp - putting cans in front of jita undock is not what im talking about -- imo thats not can flipping. "True" can flipping involved getting someone to engage in pvp when they really didnt want to or expect to. And besides ccp is putting in a lock that is defaulted to from the start that will prevent you from flipping a can in empire - so I doubt there is going to be a boost to can flipping - its just going to be reduced to consensual fights.


What exactly is the downside? You can still flip just the same except now its much easier to attract attention.


You have to have cans to flip. In case you havent noticed, the barge changes rendered can mining obsolete. The current fotom is reterivers for the afk miner and macks for everyone else.


I still find people to flip. Anyway ccp killing can flipping with barge buff has nothing to with crimewatch.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2012-10-10 14:12:21 UTC
Torvin Yulus wrote:
YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR GETTIG WHAT YOU DESERVE YOU GOON

YOU KNOW WHAT!

ALL YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IS TO SHOOT NOOBS WHO CANT FIGHT BACK YOU ARE SUCHG A L33T SPACE PIRATE I CANT EVEN TELL YOU HOW AWESOME YOU ARE CCP IS FINALLY MAKING A STAND AGAINST THE GRIEFERS AND THE MORONS WHO ARE RUINING EVE ONLINE AND RUINING MY GAME!

THIS IS MY GAME!
I WILL NOT LET YOU RUIN IT!!!!

Its sarcasm captain but at levels I have never seen before!
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#27 - 2012-10-10 14:14:16 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
I am going to enjoy the changes because slime like you can no longer abuse a long broken game mechanic, I hope to see more tears from patehtic wannabes like you. I have always found pond scum that hunt noobs because they have no idea what the game mechanics were the bottom rung in EVE. That is my take on it.


Certainly off topic. All I can say about it, is that I started can flipping as a noob because I wanted noob level pvp. Sure its easy to say to a new player get a rifter and go to low to pvp, but when you actually try it, you find that (1) there is not many folk in low, and (2) you get face stompped by more experienced players. So if you came to eve (a supposedly pvp game) and actually wanted to pvp - what exactly are you supposed to do to find fights where you actually have a reasonable possibility of success? But i degress -- what I should really say is go back to wow you carebear.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#28 - 2012-10-10 14:16:01 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Doddy wrote:
Can flipping is getting a massive boost, hell you can flip your own alts can and become a target for any idiot in eve. It will be epic.


That's an exercise in consensual pvp - putting cans in front of jita undock is not what im talking about -- imo thats not can flipping. "True" can flipping involved getting someone to engage in pvp when they really didnt want to or expect to. And besides ccp is putting in a lock that is defaulted to from the start that will prevent you from flipping a can in empire - so I doubt there is going to be a boost to can flipping - its just going to be reduced to consensual fights.


What exactly is the downside? You can still flip just the same except now its much easier to attract attention.


You have to have cans to flip. In case you havent noticed, the barge changes rendered can mining obsolete. The current fotom is reterivers for the afk miner and macks for everyone else.


I still find people to flip. Anyway ccp killing can flipping with barge buff has nothing to with crimewatch.


Didn't say it did - but CCP has made clear that it expects can flipping to die in the expansion -- the dev blogs have explicitly said that the locks are intended to kill can flipping.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2012-10-10 14:16:28 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
I am going to enjoy the changes because slime like you can no longer abuse a long broken game mechanic, I hope to see more tears from patehtic wannabes like you. I have always found pond scum that hunt noobs because they have no idea what the game mechanics were the bottom rung in EVE. That is my take on it.

People in faction fitted tengue are not new players.

Also I am going to love agroing the world in my battlehaulers. Hell, I might just train up assault frigs too!
Skurja Volpar
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#30 - 2012-10-10 14:16:40 UTC
Torvin Yulus wrote:
YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR GETTIG WHAT YOU DESERVE YOU GOON

YOU KNOW WHAT!

ALL YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IS TO SHOOT NOOBS WHO CANT FIGHT BACK YOU ARE SUCHG A L33T SPACE PIRATE I CANT EVEN TELL YOU HOW AWESOME YOU ARE CCP IS FINALLY MAKING A STAND AGAINST THE GRIEFERS AND THE MORONS WHO ARE RUINING EVE ONLINE AND RUINING MY GAME!

THIS IS MY GAME!
I WILL NOT LET YOU RUIN IT!!!!


heh
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-10-10 14:22:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrl Tian
Can-flipping was the best way to get 1v1 pvp imo simply because it created something to fight over, and as you could be threatening hours of work, it was arguably a more effective motivator than any failroam through low and null ("nope, do not engage, they have 2 more members, stay at the POS while I call in ten more battleships and ECM").

And not every miner out there is defenseless, even in a barge like this one..

Sigh, we've lost so much.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-10-10 14:23:44 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
According to the various Dev blogs a considerable number of play styles are being severely curtailed or eliminated by CCP in the up coming expansion -- can flipper, baiter of can flippers, ganking for profit, solo small ship (e.g. sb) hunting of missioners, etc. . . If you were one of the players who participated in these play styles what do you expect to be doing after the update? Will you move to low/null? Or maybe kick ccp/eve to the side of the road and play mechwarrior online, or some other game?

I, for one, used to be heavily in to can flipping and baiting competing can flippers. I also greatly enjoyed hunting missioners in small ships - so this expansion hits my personal playstyle right where it hurts. In response I moved to low sec. But the sec loss/grind there is annoying. I tried the null thing and its blob/bubble play is not for me. So while I expect I will continue playing eve, I anticipate lowering my game time in favor of other games (XCOM). So what about you guys out there?



You have absolutely no idea what you're moaning about or you're just trolling.

-1/10

brb
Doddy
Excidium.
#33 - 2012-10-10 14:27:39 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Doddy wrote:

What exactly is the downside? You can still flip just the same except now its much easier to attract attention.

I take it you've never actually flipped a can, huh?

Here is what would happen if someone in a system I was in got suspect flagged by doing normal canflipping (taking a can from a miner and dumping it back out) under crimewatch 2. Someone else from my corp would decloak in their sensor boosting stealth bomber and point them then I'd warp in from a pounce in my tornado and alpha them.

You see the difference between that and being able to identify who might actually come and shoot you based on their corp membership?


I flipped literally hundreds (if not thousands) of cans. The problem with can flipping has always been getting people to fight. If your corp mate did that i would be absolutely delighted as it would be a dead cert bomber kill and possibly even an escalated fight with a tornado for afters. Hell if you killed me and looted my can one of my mains might actually get to play.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2012-10-10 14:29:36 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:



You have absolutely no idea what you're moaning about or you're just trolling.

-1/10

He is quite right this is indeed the end of a way of life for many.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#35 - 2012-10-10 14:30:25 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
According to the various Dev blogs a considerable number of play styles are being severely curtailed or eliminated by CCP in the up coming expansion -- can flipper, baiter of can flippers, ganking for profit, solo small ship (e.g. sb) hunting of missioners, etc. . . If you were one of the players who participated in these play styles what do you expect to be doing after the update? Will you move to low/null? Or maybe kick ccp/eve to the side of the road and play mechwarrior online, or some other game?

I, for one, used to be heavily in to can flipping and baiting competing can flippers. I also greatly enjoyed hunting missioners in small ships - so this expansion hits my personal playstyle right where it hurts. In response I moved to low sec. But the sec loss/grind there is annoying. I tried the null thing and its blob/bubble play is not for me. So while I expect I will continue playing eve, I anticipate lowering my game time in favor of other games (XCOM). So what about you guys out there?



You have absolutely no idea what you're moaning about or you're just trolling.

-1/10


Really? CCP did not say that they expected the new aggro changes to eliminate folk from using sbs and other small ships from killing missioners? And ccp didnt say that they expect the default interlocks to end can flipping? Oh and the changes to aggro acquisition for haulers doesnt make ganking for profit of questionable viability? I counter your accusation of troll with my own accusation of troll on you - you troll statement is really a -10/10 you sir are a terrible troll.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-10-10 14:30:35 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Doddy wrote:

What exactly is the downside? You can still flip just the same except now its much easier to attract attention.

I take it you've never actually flipped a can, huh?

Here is what would happen if someone in a system I was in got suspect flagged by doing normal canflipping (taking a can from a miner and dumping it back out) under crimewatch 2. Someone else from my corp would decloak in their sensor boosting stealth bomber and point them then I'd warp in from a pounce in my tornado and alpha them.

You see the difference between that and being able to identify who might actually come and shoot you based on their corp membership?


I flipped literally hundreds (if not thousands) of cans. The problem with can flipping has always been getting people to fight. If your corp mate did that i would be absolutely delighted as it would be a dead cert bomber kill and possibly even an escalated fight with a tornado for afters. Hell if you killed me and looted my can one of my mains might actually get to play.


Elite pvp, 1vs1= 1vs 1+alts+pos kissing booster and when possible graveyard camping (gates). Awesome Lol

brb
Christopher AET
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-10-10 14:33:47 UTC
What about the double can flip? Get an alt to flip a can then you flip him. Hey presto the miner has to agress everyone to get his ore back. Profit

I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance.
Skaz
Skazmanian Industries
#38 - 2012-10-10 14:36:42 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Change is hard.


This

What is the EVE mantra again?

Adapt or die?
Bear

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#39 - 2012-10-10 14:39:07 UTC
Christopher AET wrote:
What about the double can flip? Get an alt to flip a can then you flip him. Hey presto the miner has to agress everyone to get his ore back. Profit

You think so small. You go in an flip a can,doesn't matter whos, and then watch local explode in a mix of rage and panic as you ripapart badly fitted ships.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#40 - 2012-10-10 14:39:23 UTC
Doddy wrote:
I flipped literally hundreds (if not thousands) of cans. The problem with can flipping has always been getting people to fight. If your corp mate did that i would be absolutely delighted as it would be a dead cert bomber kill and possibly even an escalated fight with a tornado for afters. Hell if you killed me and looted my can one of my mains might actually get to play.

Sorry, but I'm going to have to call bullshit on you there on account of that clearly not being a realistic outcome and you apparently not having the foggiest idea how looting rights work.