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what is up with the plex in eve.
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#101 - 2012-10-10 13:12:47 UTC
Well I'm upgrading to 60mb next week. If that doesn't fix it, nothing will.

Oh god.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#102 - 2012-10-10 13:18:02 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
lucious terrinous wrote:
I have 1 account i pay real life money for and 2 i pay with for plex. i mean 627 million isk for a plex now i remember just a couple of years ago that plex was only 350 million a piece. So why are they so high now, the current price of plex is going to make it next to impossible for some players to make that much isk in a month. Some of the eve community love this game as do i but we do not have the real life funds to be able to pay for accounts.

i guess my question is why isnt ccp doing something about the huge inflation of plex? Make it at least a little easier for players of eve to plex thier accounts.

It's in CCP's interest for the prices to go up. They are adding new sources of demand for PLEX, including the for-pay tournament.

The result is predictible based on Value = Demand / Supply.

I hope this helps clarify the role of PLEX and CCP's position on their inflation. Cool



I disagree....It’s better for CCP if plex goes down. CCP doesn’t get any additional income from the plex at higher prices just the opposite. They make their money regardless of what the plex sells for. The more isk a player gets for the plex the further it goes in game and the longer it takes till that player needs to buy another.

Higher plex doesn’t benefit CCP at all, their real money is already in the real bank.
Skurja Volpar
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#103 - 2012-10-10 13:22:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Skurja Volpar
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
[quote=Darth Gustav][quote=lucious terrinous]
I disagree....It’s better for CCP if plex goes down. CCP doesn’t get any additional income from the plex at higher prices just the opposite. They make their money regardless of what the plex sells for. The more isk a player gets for the plex the further it goes in game and the longer it takes till that player needs to buy another.

Higher plex doesn’t benefit CCP at all, their real money is already in the real bank.



If plex costs more, more people buy more plex to sell on the market, ccp make more money.
Doddy
Excidium.
#104 - 2012-10-10 13:23:32 UTC
lucious terrinous wrote:

but the economy around the world is bad people are out of jobs and spending your rl money on means to survive instead of a hobby.


Have you even considered that this might be the reason plex prices have gone up?
Seniae 0n3
#105 - 2012-10-10 13:25:15 UTC
If you read my earlier reply then you know I agree that with these plex prices ppl might have to leave Eve .... blah blah blah....


Anyways I have just one question:

Those PLEX you find on the market are bought with real cash ... people who have worked for that real cash stolen it from grannies and whatever I don't care. Who is anyone to decide what anyone does with his/her real cash??? Why should I buy PLEX with real cash when someone else just grinds some ore all day and get my PLEX for free ... (oh yeah the time effort thing ... ugh yadayadayada).

Noone is really to decide how much a PLEX is worth. It's real money ppl work for that and noone gives their money away to who knows who some stranger out in EVE.
Guy Nextdoor
#106 - 2012-10-10 13:26:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Guy Nextdoor
Skurja Volpar wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
[quote=Darth Gustav][quote=lucious terrinous]
I disagree....It’s better for CCP if plex goes down. CCP doesn’t get any additional income from the plex at higher prices just the opposite. They make their money regardless of what the plex sells for. The more isk a player gets for the plex the further it goes in game and the longer it takes till that player needs to buy another.

Higher plex doesn’t benefit CCP at all, their real money is already in the real bank.



If plex is costs more, more people buy more plex to sell on the market, ccp make more money.



true story, even if i got more than enough isk, high plex prices got me thinking to buy some and resell on market. Think ill wait a few days till it goes to 1 bill muahahah

EDIT: Take this "Economy" you *#&%#& of a *%"'%# !!!

I'm next door watching you undress
Doddy
Excidium.
#107 - 2012-10-10 13:30:27 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
lucious terrinous wrote:
I have 1 account i pay real life money for and 2 i pay with for plex. i mean 627 million isk for a plex now i remember just a couple of years ago that plex was only 350 million a piece. So why are they so high now, the current price of plex is going to make it next to impossible for some players to make that much isk in a month. Some of the eve community love this game as do i but we do not have the real life funds to be able to pay for accounts.

i guess my question is why isnt ccp doing something about the huge inflation of plex? Make it at least a little easier for players of eve to plex thier accounts.

It's in CCP's interest for the prices to go up. They are adding new sources of demand for PLEX, including the for-pay tournament.

The result is predictible based on Value = Demand / Supply.

I hope this helps clarify the role of PLEX and CCP's position on their inflation. Cool



I disagree....It’s better for CCP if plex goes down. CCP doesn’t get any additional income from the plex at higher prices just the opposite. They make their money regardless of what the plex sells for. The more isk a player gets for the plex the further it goes in game and the longer it takes till that player needs to buy another.

Higher plex doesn’t benefit CCP at all, their real money is already in the real bank.



Don't be naive, you think people don't buy more plex when they get 600mil instead of 300mil?
Colonel Xaven
Perkone
Caldari State
#108 - 2012-10-10 13:31:27 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
lucious terrinous wrote:
I have 1 account i pay real life money for and 2 i pay with for plex. i mean 627 million isk for a plex now i remember just a couple of years ago that plex was only 350 million a piece. So why are they so high now, the current price of plex is going to make it next to impossible for some players to make that much isk in a month. Some of the eve community love this game as do i but we do not have the real life funds to be able to pay for accounts.

i guess my question is why isnt ccp doing something about the huge inflation of plex? Make it at least a little easier for players of eve to plex thier accounts.

It's in CCP's interest for the prices to go up. They are adding new sources of demand for PLEX, including the for-pay tournament.

The result is predictible based on Value = Demand / Supply.

I hope this helps clarify the role of PLEX and CCP's position on their inflation. Cool



I disagree....It’s better for CCP if plex goes down. CCP doesn’t get any additional income from the plex at higher prices just the opposite. They make their money regardless of what the plex sells for. The more isk a player gets for the plex the further it goes in game and the longer it takes till that player needs to buy another.

Higher plex doesn’t benefit CCP at all, their real money is already in the real bank.



Higher plex prices would encourage more people to buy PLEX for real money just to get a good amount of ISK. The permanent state of terrible low PLEX prices at the moment are not interesting enough to catch more people dealing with it.

I say PLEX was way too cheap in the past and is still today.

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Skurja Volpar
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#109 - 2012-10-10 13:36:53 UTC
The price will start to crash as soon as plex hoarders start unloading anyway. Big isk will be made by the first to sell it all off, and big $$$ will be made by ccp in the buildup. And those who were too greedy and waited too long will probably make a loss.

I don't think we'll be seeing 300mil prices again anytime soon, but the rush to unload is going to leave alot of hoarders left in the dust as prices go down. Should be fun to watch Cool.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#110 - 2012-10-10 13:38:18 UTC
Guy Nextdoor wrote:
Skurja Volpar wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
[quote=Darth Gustav][quote=lucious terrinous]
I disagree....It’s better for CCP if plex goes down. CCP doesn’t get any additional income from the plex at higher prices just the opposite. They make their money regardless of what the plex sells for. The more isk a player gets for the plex the further it goes in game and the longer it takes till that player needs to buy another.

Higher plex doesn’t benefit CCP at all, their real money is already in the real bank.



If plex is costs more, more people buy more plex to sell on the market, ccp make more money.



true story, even if i got more than enough isk, high plex prices got me thinking to buy some and resell on market. Think ill wait a few days till it goes to 1 bill muahahah

EDIT: Take this "Economy" you *#&%#& of a *%"'%# !!!




People could be playing the market. If that is the case it won’t take long for the market to realign itself and those people will be taking a loss. Plex doesn’t have a limited supply. CCP will keep selling as long as people keep buying. So this is not a supply and demand issue from CCP but only from a player position. If it is market manipulation then it will have to end at some point.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#111 - 2012-10-10 13:40:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Skurja Volpar wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
[quote=Darth Gustav][quote=lucious terrinous]
I disagree....It’s better for CCP if plex goes down. CCP doesn’t get any additional income from the plex at higher prices just the opposite. They make their money regardless of what the plex sells for. The more isk a player gets for the plex the further it goes in game and the longer it takes till that player needs to buy another.

Higher plex doesn’t benefit CCP at all, their real money is already in the real bank.



If plex costs more, more people buy more plex to sell on the market, ccp make more money.


Except when everyone stops buying plex because they refuse, or can't afford, to pay that much for it. Then people start abandoning their alts and CCP loses money.

Edit: I mean they earn less. They don't 'lose' any money as such.

Oh god.
Seniae 0n3
#112 - 2012-10-10 13:41:06 UTC
Though I wonder about one thing:

Don't these high PLEX prices encourage more high sec play as for grinding and mining? Isn't that contra to what CCP would like to see? Just wondering....
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#113 - 2012-10-10 13:43:56 UTC
Seniae 0n3 wrote:
Though I wonder about one thing:

Don't these high PLEX prices encourage more high sec play as for grinding and mining? Isn't that contra to what CCP would like to see? Just wondering....


I think it encourages more low-sec play because that's where all the money is right now. Any brand new player can train up a crappy frigate in 2 days and start earning hundreds of millions.

Oh god.
Torvin Yulus
Doomheim
#114 - 2012-10-10 13:44:13 UTC
plex prices are approaching 700m. this is going to make it verty very hard to have multiple accounts especially for people like myself who spend 150 dollars a month for our paid accounts and have more paid with plexes.

the issues its that i can't make enough money in my current play time to fund all my accounts with plex, so here is what i prapose.

1. increase level 4 mission isk payouts by 50%
2. increase incursion payouts by 50%
3. increase the buying price of minerals 200%

this will make plexes affordable again.
solved.


reposted ty isd 40 for poinitng out the problem

im a pubby and im proud
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#115 - 2012-10-10 13:44:16 UTC
Doddy wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
lucious terrinous wrote:
I have 1 account i pay real life money for and 2 i pay with for plex. i mean 627 million isk for a plex now i remember just a couple of years ago that plex was only 350 million a piece. So why are they so high now, the current price of plex is going to make it next to impossible for some players to make that much isk in a month. Some of the eve community love this game as do i but we do not have the real life funds to be able to pay for accounts.

i guess my question is why isnt ccp doing something about the huge inflation of plex? Make it at least a little easier for players of eve to plex thier accounts.

It's in CCP's interest for the prices to go up. They are adding new sources of demand for PLEX, including the for-pay tournament.

The result is predictible based on Value = Demand / Supply.

I hope this helps clarify the role of PLEX and CCP's position on their inflation. Cool



I disagree....It’s better for CCP if plex goes down. CCP doesn’t get any additional income from the plex at higher prices just the opposite. They make their money regardless of what the plex sells for. The more isk a player gets for the plex the further it goes in game and the longer it takes till that player needs to buy another.

Higher plex doesn’t benefit CCP at all, their real money is already in the real bank.



Don't be naive, you think people don't buy more plex when they get 600mil instead of 300mil?



This may be true, people will buy more plex to get more isk but only to a point. You have to sell that Plex to get your isk though. I am just not stupid enough to believe CCP is driving the prices up. This is player driven. There is no smoking guy here, no conspiracy, just players being greedy. Players that have too much money from moon goo and 10 or more accounts.
Torvin Yulus
Doomheim
#116 - 2012-10-10 13:45:07 UTC
If plexes get too expesnive again just increase payouts again to compensate. seems simple really, you could do it every expansion.

im a pubby and im proud
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2012-10-10 13:47:18 UTC
Shanoth wrote:
well im backing lucious terrinous,
he is right, and a lot of u ppl giveing him stick are proly justa bunch of trols.

If the Price of plex goies up agen, ppl will stip plexing accounts, the market will get flooded with over priced plex's.


CCP are selling plex's for real Money.
We by the Plex for game time.
This isent selling over priced scamed isk bought rubish.

troll this post all u want, but u know as much as us, prices keep going the way it does, u wont be selling any more, cus we cartn aford them.

Shan


Well if that happens, then the price of the Plex's will go down, Einstein.
Problem solved. Honestly, do they not teach basic economics in school anymore?

So what are you whining about again?
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#118 - 2012-10-10 13:47:45 UTC
Seniae 0n3 wrote:
Though I wonder about one thing:

Don't these high PLEX prices encourage more high sec play as for grinding and mining? Isn't that contra to what CCP would like to see? Just wondering....



Not for me just the opposite. Why would I want to sit in hi-sec and midlessly mine rock pixels to sell for a crappy profit when I can pay $15.00 and get 600 million isk or more?
Skurja Volpar
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#119 - 2012-10-10 13:49:39 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:


Except when everyone stops buying plex because they refuse, or can't afford, to pay that much for it. Then people start abandoning their alts and CCP loses money.


True but lack of demand will cause the prices go down pretty rapidly.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#120 - 2012-10-10 13:54:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Skurja Volpar wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:


Except when everyone stops buying plex because they refuse, or can't afford, to pay that much for it. Then people start abandoning their alts and CCP loses money.


True but lack of demand will cause the prices go down pretty rapidly.


Yes, but will that be enough to make people want to dust off their inactive alts after they've become comfortable with using just one account again? I think the community would need some incentive, probably in the form of free game time (essentially countering the profits CCP have made from this current Plex boom).

This is all speculation though. I'm not an expert and I have no actual data. I'm sure CCP have spent many hours running the figures.

Oh god.