Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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It occurs to me that the gas mining bonus shows a need to adjust what the gas mining skill does.

I don't have any specific suggestion, but unless a barge-class gas miner is in planning there will be no reason for anyone to train gas mining past level 2.

Doubling your yield? Sounds worth it to me.

How long are noobie miners gonna stay in game when they are permajammed by guristas in thier sensor strngth 4 frigs (at least in cal space). That is almost half that of the bantam so nearly twice as much jamming.

They will skill drones II and scout drone operation I (total train time <2 hours) and deploy those 2 drones to kill the rats. you can do it with the bantam too, if you bother to kill that stupid jammer rat with you drone.
And don't say "drones for caldari are useless" every ship bigger than a frigate use drones.

Wait. Don't we have a salvaging boat already? But good point. Why is it not destroyer class?!

Perhaps it's a cruiser because it's between a Catalyst (noobsalvager) and a Hurricane (serious salvager)?

yes, but they havent updated the OP

New mining ships will NEVER be able to change the poor state of the bottom end of null's industry and the lack of 'soft' targets. Because this problem is truly caused by the extremely low-cost, low-risk, low-effort of importing everything simply from empire since the introduction of Jump Freighters. For as much as null likes to look down on empire, they are still addicted to its convenience.



WCS won't help for most gate camps. They do help for ninja-mining in low-sec though.



It's meant as a low-level mining frigate, not your desired end-game WH gas miner.

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I'd love to see a 20m3 drone bay in for this ship. Giving it the option to have both a flight of mining drones (because they are cute) and a flight of light scouts to deal with minor belt rats.

Personally I do NOT like the +2 WCS. Rather give the ship more lowslots, so players can choose for themselves how to fit it. Either with WCS for low-sec, nanos for null and WH to combine with a cloak, or a modest tank against belt rats.

Besides, the whole in-built WCS, and WCS in general need a good thorough revision, taking in account the current uselessness of WCS in combat (balancing went from 'too good' all the way to 'horrible'), the dominant use of bubbles over scramblers in null and WH, the uselessness of the DST, etc.

Adding just another new ship to the To-Do list of balancing is not smart.

I also thing the 5000m3 is a bit problematic. Working together with a dedicated hauler is one of the first lessons newbies get about the value of team-play. Flying a frigate-sized industrial, kind of makes this pointless. But then again, I like the opportunity it provides for ninja-mining.

Perhaps splitting the T1 mining frigate into two versions each specialized for a specific role:

- 3 hi slots (3 turrets, so upping the yield with 50%, unless that's a barge-level yield), 10/10 dronebay and a 1000m3 ore bay for newbie mining in safe or secured areas with a dedicated hauler.

- 4 hi slots (2 turret, 2 utility) , 2 additional low slots, 15/30 dronebay (so a few of these together can defend themselves against minor threats), 5000m3 ore bay, 2 additional low-slots and some increased EHP. (Perhaps making this a Destroyer-sized ship instead?).

Oh and fix it so the contents of ore bays get dropped on destruction.

As for seeding the blueprints: Seed them through the LP stores of the various NPC Faction's mining corporations (Minedrill, Minmatar Mining Corporation, Astral Mining Inc., Ducia Foundry, etc), and at a small discount at the LP store of ORE.

And these should be BPC-only!

This means that the mission runners and such can get in on the action by providing the blueprints to the manufacturers, who otherwise would simply buy the BPOs from the market and hog all profit that comes with the release of new items and ships.

This way mission runners will have a reason to work for another NPC corp instead of the Navy, and it also mean the access to the BPC for the industrialists isn't too restricted, but will require them to pay money to another player (instead of dumping it into an one-time ISK-sink).

You do know you need gas harvester IIs to be able to survive the bigger gas explosions, right? GH Is force you too close for a frig to survive the blast.

I'm loving the ''spare'' high for a probe launcher to make solo gas mining into something other than a docking game.

Yes. That seems to be the master plan since no ORE cruiser has been announced.