Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Stating the obvious for the WIN!

That is my point.

This discussion has gone on for years.

CCP, by not reacting, has in fact endorsed things to remain as is.

You should understand, you cannot change one side of this equation alone. For balance, you need to change the factors that descended from those details as well.

Do you really believe cloaked vessels are designed to not be hunted?
Unlikely, but it would break the game unless local intel was balanced to compensate.
Then they would need to address cyno usage, since it devolved from local used as intel.
At some point, wormholes would be changed so drastically, that it would require redesign from the concept level.

Nothing is as simple as it seems.

Be glad tactics and strategies exist to counter cloaking. Use them.

Consider this post, it might help.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2008218#post2008218

I do in fact support cloaks being hunted, but only under conditions where balance is respected.
You can't add more ability to hunt cloaked vessels without balancing it.

I see some points from respected peeps in here that I agree and disagree with.

I will just say this. For passers by, cov ops cloaking should be an i-win tool... provided you know how to play Eve and not get caught..

But for afk cloakers.... cloaking should be a curse that results in death by afk or sitting still like a dumbass waiting to get shot in something shiney....

Provide ways to detect & target prolonged cloaking or something.....modules.... or drawbacks beyond this ***** speed nerf.... probes going all Spock and Bones doing surgery on a torpedo etc etc..

Hmm so one of things I thought of was to make possible to scan the cloakers with some time and effort and add another ship
to game which could lets say hack the gate it's passing so that it wont log his presence in system, but be pure scout ship
without any combad abilities only with cloak and ability to roam unnoticed. You could see the visuall effects on the gate still
if you near tho.

Because just removing Local chat log for cloakers and adding timeconsuming way to scan them its just buffing
something that has no counter.

That would make more sense i think than just invisibility hat without any countermeasures.

What do you think about this guys ?

Anybody who thinks that travelling through nullsec with a cloak fitted has no risk involved clearly has very limited experience travelling through nullsec with a cloak fitted.

So has what you say :) .. and in many many threads on various topics.
I did look up the old ones, I was not happy with what I found, there is still way more ranting to be done here!



Empty pompous troll-bull.





Scared? Meh? Sometimes moving next door is not an option, especially when renting.
There should be a way to countering cloakies- even if its redonkeyusly hard, takes hours and 100m sp. Or at least put the cloak on a 20h manual CD- cus I'll be spamming combat probes until then

yet, yours have been discussed there and answered so no need to reiterate over and over again. Go read there.
these threads are flamed down for a good reason btw.

Has anyone considered making cloaks escalate in cap cost as you stay cloaked?

I got this idea particularly from Mass Effect: to achieve 'stealth' in space, they're actually keeping in all signals inside the ship, keeping it from radiating out. Sure, they can go stealthy, but eventually they have to come up for air, so to speak, because otherwise they'd roast the crew.

Now, to bring this across to Cloaks, you'd have to make it a small, perhaps even tiny escalation in the capacitor cost for keeping your cloak running. So each cycle adds something like 0.1 GJ to the cost of running the cloak per cycle, and eventually - if you stay cloaked too long - you get Aura whispering in your ear: the capacitor is empty...

This could be anywhere in length-of-time, depending on how CCP wants to balance it. Maybe have cloakies stay cloaked for about half an hour or an hour. Perhaps even six or more.. Might even be longer than that, but the point is that eventually you'd have to decloak. For someone at the keyboard, this is simple to overcome; just tap that cloaking device again and you're good, since your cloak resets to a 0 modifier to the activation cost as soon as you decloak (and vent all the heat that you've been holding), and you'd be sweet until the next time the buildup hits a critical level.

Using Cap Rechargers, Batteries and what-have-you will let you run your cloak for longer, of course, for the obvious drawback of not having another module that would otherwise be in that mid/low slot.