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CCP Dropbear Question

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Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
#1 - 2011-10-17 20:23:38 UTC
Hello Dropbear,

Towards the end of this video, you and anther CCP employee were discussing working on something even "bigger", upside down incursions ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCf6pXHBFRM

Has that "project" been announced?

AG
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CCP Zymurgist
C C P
C C P Alliance
#2 - 2011-10-17 21:40:52 UTC
I'm not 100% sure what he was hinting at but I do believe it hasn't been announced. I will poke him and see if he has any light to shed on this.

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Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
#3 - 2011-10-17 21:44:54 UTC
CCP Zymurgist wrote:
I'm not 100% sure what he was hinting at but I do believe it hasn't been announced. I will poke him and see if he has any light to shed on this.


Thanks buddy.


Also, if you don't mind, who are the other CCP people beyond dropbear and soundwave?
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Alara IonStorm
#4 - 2011-10-17 21:44:57 UTC
Hi, I do not have sound for a few hours.

Can someone give me a bit of Info on this panel.

What is the quote the OP is talking about and whats coming to Incursions?
Darth Skorpius
352 Industries
#5 - 2011-10-17 21:55:45 UTC
CCP Zymurgist wrote:
I'm not 100% sure what he was hinting at but I do believe it hasn't been announced. I will poke him and see if he has any light to shed on this.


my guess it the a'j project
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#6 - 2011-10-17 21:56:33 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Hi, I do not have sound for a few hours.

Can someone give me a bit of Info on this panel.

What is the quote the OP is talking about and whats coming to Incursions?


waht he said im just too lzay to watthc videos

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
#7 - 2011-10-17 21:57:06 UTC
The comment about "upside down incursions" sounded like a joke and the one member on the panel that responded reacted with surprise. After reviewing the video the one thing I found interesting is that the Incursion system was designed so that the next feature built with it may not resemble today's Sansha incursions in anyway.

_ _

Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#8 - 2011-10-17 22:02:56 UTC
Best guess is the bounty hunting changes allowing a gun running type of self policing of the movement of boosters and such.
Becouse it requires updating the CrimeWatch code and the tranfer of the boosters was suppost ot happen in Estabilshments. They probably have to rewrite some or most of the code.

As Crime Watch was not included in the devblog about this winter It might have been set aside or might be what one of the upcoming devblogs is about. Who knows.

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See you around the universe.

Alara IonStorm
#9 - 2011-10-17 22:29:54 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Hi, I do not have sound for a few hours.

Can someone give me a bit of Info on this panel.

What is the quote the OP is talking about and whats coming to Incursions?


waht he said im just too lzay to watthc videos

Hi.

I see you took the time to comment on something you obviously haven't read so I bolded the important parts.

This Computer which does not belong to me because I am not at home right now and will not be for a few hours doesn't have Speakers on it. I watch every Video that hints at new features and will watch it in full tonight, till then I would a quick summary of what this thread is about.

So if someone less useless could gimmie a hand with that it would be great.

BTW I loved how I was called lazy by someone who spells lazy like this: lzay
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#10 - 2011-10-17 22:36:49 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:

im just too lzay

BTW I loved how I was called lazy by someone who spells lazy like this: lzay


you wernt called lazy

The Drake is a Lie

Alara IonStorm
#11 - 2011-10-17 22:45:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Xercodo wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:

im just too lzay

BTW I loved how I was called lazy by someone who spells lazy like this: lzay


you wernt called lazy

There was a "waht he said" in front of it whislt quoting me.

Anyway I have to get to dinner. So I guess I do not get to find out till I get home...

=/

I picked a resturant that has somethin called a Blooming Onion. Always wanted to try one.
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#12 - 2011-10-17 22:56:28 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:

im just too lzay

BTW I loved how I was called lazy by someone who spells lazy like this: lzay


you wernt called lazy

There was a "waht he said" in front of it whislt quoting me.

Anyway I have to get to dinner. So I guess I do not get to find out till I get home...

=/

I picked a resturant that has somethin called a Blooming Onion. Always wanted to try one.


Someone is overly sensitive (that one WAS directed at you.)

Let me rephrase the post you took so much offense to:

Quote:
Can someone also explain to me what he said in the video? My problem is not a sound issue, it is that I am too lazy.


I can see where that might be difficult to understand if English is not your primary language, so I thought I'd clear it up.

I believe the OP pretty much said what the quote was. He hinted at something after and bigger than Incursions.


Dum Spiro Spero

Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-10-17 23:01:49 UTC
obviously a force that even the jovians can't defend against attack new eden.
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-10-17 23:04:22 UTC
I think he was talking about forum trolls. But I can't be sure.

Stuff Goes here

Alara IonStorm
#15 - 2011-10-18 01:58:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
KaarBaak wrote:

Someone is overly sensitive (that one WAS directed at you.)

I see the words but the meaning is a little sketchy. Lets just see if we can clear it up a bit.
KaarBaak wrote:

I am a ***** (that one WAS directed at you.)

I don't see why you are telling me this but who am I to argue with obvious fact.
KaarBaak wrote:

Let me rephrase the post you took so much offense to

Can someone also explain to me what he said in the video? My problem is not a sound issue, it is that I am too lazy.

Huh, makes more sense. With the spelling I guessed he forgot the "is" or plain shorthand over it. I apologize Renan Ruivo.
KaarBaak wrote:

I can see where that might be difficult to understand if English is not your primary language, so I thought I'd clear it up.

Oh the whole ***** thing again, gotcha. At least I am polite enough to apologize when I make a mistake.
KaarBaak wrote:

I believe the OP pretty much said what the quote was. He hinted at something after and bigger than Incursions.

Yeah I read that already. I wanted more information. Here is a repeat of what I said.

"Can someone give me a bit of Info on this panel."

"What is the quote the OP is talking about and whats coming to Incursions?"

Now I know this might be difficult to understand if English is not your primary language.(Yeah I went there, suck it). But I am looking for more information on the panel as well as the direct quote and any new information.

Since you mistook what I said, I will wait for my apology.

Oh and I am watching the Panel Renan Ruivo, I will post some info for you.

Edit: Ok they are looking into the possibility of expanding Pirate Incursions into other factions and possibly getting them involved in the Events. They also want the other Faction versions to be completely different then Sansha's if they decide to implement it. They also want to do things with your standing towards the Nation like the Sansha's not shooting you above a certain standing to help pro Sansha's take sides. The upside down new Incursions the OP is talking about are left ambiguous.

Sorry Again Renan.
CCP Dropbear
C C P
C C P Alliance
#16 - 2011-10-18 22:56:19 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Ok they are looking into the possibility of expanding Pirate Incursions into other factions and possibly getting them involved in the Events. They also want the other Faction versions to be completely different then Sansha's if they decide to implement it. They also want to do things with your standing towards the Nation like the Sansha's not shooting you above a certain standing to help pro Sansha's take sides. The upside down new Incursions the OP is talking about are left ambiguous.


Since I'm not really sure of the question even after watching the recording, I'll try cover the various bases. The above is a decent summary. These are things we'd like to do and have put some preliminary thinking into. Incursions are delivered by a new "tale" system, and it could do a lot more if we expanded it out. Incursions are just one very particular way to use it. Talk of upside down incursions is Headfirst having some fun, if that's not obvious. P

Standings affecting aggression mechanics would require some more work to make happen with our new skynet NPCs, so while it's on the radar, it's not low hanging fruit and can't be ninja'd into the current setup as a backdor for Pro-Sansha to run interference (we tried, though).

As for big things coming beyond that, I referred in various panels back then about the second round of live events we'd be running. So a short plug of that: These events partly involve the Arek'Jaalan project that someone mentioned earlier. It's bigger because, where last time around you had massive fleet battles destroying eachother, this time around the task is creation and the scale of the job is much larger and more realistic. As an example, one of the recent and ongoing events involves gathering ~30b of materials to build a research outpost in Eram. The even larger goal behind this is to, put simply, make other players aware of the storyline, and maybe even start to care about it. Srs bsns.

Hopefully one of those replies answers your question. P
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#17 - 2011-10-18 23:07:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Ammzi
CCP Dropbear wrote:


Hopefully one of those replies answers your question. P


Not quite. I was hoping you'd like to answer one of my questions regarding Incursions? A feature which I adore and love.
Is the Incursion feature going to be tweaked, changed or in anyway altered within a given timeframe say 6 months?
There're major flaws or perhaps call them disadvantages in the way highsec incursions are being handled by the playerbase and how incursions themselves accommodate the player base. (I am purposely leaving out the issues in regards to influence gains/drops and the need for incursion runners to make agreements to keep incursions alive for longer)

The changes I am specifically talking about are rewards for Assaults/Headquarters in comparison to vanguards.
As you've mentioned in that recording, it was difficult for your team to assess the most popular sites and that would have to be looked on after the release.
Have you been able to draw a picture now and are you planning on anything?

There's also a very nice opportunity for your team to add additional context or spice up the gameplay further with the Incursions.
Here I am not talking about Live Events or similar (althought I love Live Events!).
I am referring to the spawns and triggers of waves in an incursion site. I've on several occasions heard players state that they would much rather see a random trigger spawn and different wave compositions in the sites in order to make the sites less predictable and much more fun.

Would these changes be anything you've thought about implementing?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#18 - 2011-10-18 23:53:25 UTC
CCP Dropbear wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Ok they are looking into the possibility of expanding Pirate Incursions into other factions and possibly getting them involved in the Events. They also want the other Faction versions to be completely different then Sansha's if they decide to implement it. They also want to do things with your standing towards the Nation like the Sansha's not shooting you above a certain standing to help pro Sansha's take sides. The upside down new Incursions the OP is talking about are left ambiguous.


Since I'm not really sure of the question even after watching the recording, I'll try cover the various bases. The above is a decent summary. These are things we'd like to do and have put some preliminary thinking into. Incursions are delivered by a new "tale" system, and it could do a lot more if we expanded it out. Incursions are just one very particular way to use it. Talk of upside down incursions is Headfirst having some fun, if that's not obvious. P

Standings affecting aggression mechanics would require some more work to make happen with our new skynet NPCs, so while it's on the radar, it's not low hanging fruit and can't be ninja'd into the current setup as a backdor for Pro-Sansha to run interference (we tried, though).

As for big things coming beyond that, I referred in various panels back then about the second round of live events we'd be running. So a short plug of that: These events partly involve the Arek'Jaalan project that someone mentioned earlier. It's bigger because, where last time around you had massive fleet battles destroying eachother, this time around the task is creation and the scale of the job is much larger and more realistic. As an example, one of the recent and ongoing events involves gathering ~30b of materials to build a research outpost in Eram. The even larger goal behind this is to, put simply, make other players aware of the storyline, and maybe even start to care about it. Srs bsns.

Hopefully one of those replies answers your question. P



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Alara IonStorm
#19 - 2011-10-18 23:54:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
To add to Ammzi I would like to know a couple of things about future Incursions.

* Will you be expanding on the current system. Say like adding new sites?
* Are you planing to go in a new direction instead such as a new faction?
* Will the invasion ever change or end. Will we see a continuation or conclusion?
* Are you considering a Static Group Raid system such as a Mission version or system that hosts them 24/7. Or will Raids only be for mobile events like Incursions. If so will it be new groups or Sansha still?
* Will normal NPC's benefit from your AI and show more teamwork and skill. Perhaps allowing you to cut back on the number of Rats in Missions or make Ratting a challenge?
* What is the Future not only for Incursions but the AI and Group Content in General?

If you have answers to any of these I would really appreciate it.
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Nerdy Deadshot
In The Goo
EVE Trade Alliance
#20 - 2011-10-19 00:05:01 UTC
Ammzi wrote:

Stuff


Long quote... you guys can read it.

But ya.. wondering the same stuff.

Specifically I would like to encourage considering tweeking payout for assaults and hqs... to attract more individuals that almost religiously run VGs. One of the major issues i've seen with them is not getting enough people interested in running them in a timely fashion... and losing people in rapid succession. If they could be run on a rate that paid out considerably better than VGs... than most of the issues with high sec incursions would level out.
If more people ran assaults and hqs... there would be less congestion in the VG systems... and i think it would combat alot of the frustration people have with trying to run incrusions.... so it might even cut down on the people willing to kill incursions early (at least considering the BTL gentlemen's rule).

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