Player Features and Ideas Discussion

To all those little girls whining about skill point redemption because you think HML's will be useless after the patch build a bridge and get over it.

If you want your skill points back then also pay back ALL the ISK you have earned using them while they have been in their unbalanced state. You've had a great time while HML's have been outperforming the other weapons. Hell, so have I. I have made billions, tens of billions from HML Drakes in WH space. You got to use them while they were the go to weapon system and you will get to use them after the patch when they will simply be on par with other ships. Tengu's will still be one of the best PvE hulls in the game and will outperform the other T3's for a while. Drakes will still be used in large gangs in null sec and those people saying Drakes don't get used in Low sec must be blind or on drugs. I've seen many Drakes in Low sec. I've flown many Drakes in Low sec. I use them to run plex's usually and the HAM Drake is a great ship for small gang PvP. With the patch it's going to be even better.

Suck it up. Stop moaning. Adapt, or do us all a favour and biomass yourself.

Would you stop this Drake/Cane hollywar, please?
This is pathetic.

Again, all what you said is correct. I just quoted the last part again, because it is whats making people go crazy here: exactly what you say, the problem is not the nerf per se, but what it in fact means for Caldari missile PvP. Fix HML when other stuff is there and working, and no one will complain.

You said the faster ship. So can a cane run down a drake with a headstart?

Sure.

Does he WANT to, lol yeah go try it, a nano-cane is only 300m/s or so faster then a drake and has about 10k less shield buffer and Crap resists in comparison. Getting into a footrace with a drake is just as ******* stupid as waiting for a rewarp
You hold that cane at arm's reach he has to swap to barrage and shoot into your strongest resist....or piddle away doing less DPS with less tank at 13km ish with faction ammo. Hurricane only puts up 600 DPS for 3km, its got a lower optimal then a BLASTER ship.

So yeah you want to go nose to nose with a cane you deserve to get screwed, I might try it with a mrym, oddly no cane will warp in on a bait myrm, not unless the have back up, or don't know what they are doing. No AC cane wants to deal with a mrym up close, they may get lucky kiting, but its really easy to screw up.

If you are in a fight that isn't to your advantage, you already ****** up.

No im not going to build a bridge. Im going to build a machariel to adapt and get over it. But sell i will all my hml drakes and tengus. And the fact remains that they wont be used anymore in null blobs or pve. Some few funny solo/small gang ham drakes might still be seen in lowsec but thats pretty much all its going to be...

Engaging a close range ship inside point range is pretty stupid anyway. Warp at range and see if he bites, if he does you win if he warps you didn't lose anything.

Fortunately solo is a small part of the game.

I've got almost 9mil sp in missiles and am trained for t2 hmls, cruise, and torps. Pretty much all my missile support skills are at 5.


Now, as far as the rest of your comment, you trained those skills for a certain reason, the fact that you changed that reason and/or aborted that purpose is none of my concern.

However, I trained certain skills and it is CCP that is removing the purpose for training those skills, not myself.


You argue and entirely different point.
You use an example of wanting a refund because you don't use those skills.

However, the truth with me is I want a refund because CCP has removed the use I have for those skills.

Two totally different things.



Sure, you can have compensation for none-hml pilots as soon as the users of every other missile system in game gets compensated for being under powered compared to virtually every other weapon system in game.

Also, you compare it as though the hml is so superior to others, yet the only reason th drake is even a viable option is due to its EHP.
If the drake didn't have double the standard EHP of other bc's, no one would fly it.

Now the tengu is a freak of nature. It's capable of fitting a 100mn afterburner, a significant dps, and a solid tank all at the same time.
So, yeah, it's a bit hard to beat.
Now, as far as compensation for losing to a tengu, well, write a petition to CCP. You lost your ship/s due to game issues beyond your control, so technically they should replace it.
They won't, but they should.. This is beyond my control as a player.


As far as the whole "New chapter" part.
To you it may be a new chapter.

To me it's the removal of a chapter.

They're removing the tengu as a viable opton in lvl 4 missions.
Not just with this hml nerf, but also with the up and coming t3 nerfs which will surely see the nerfing of the tengu if not all 4 t3's.

However, even with just this missile nerf I'm losing the effectiveness from the tengu that is the only reason why I trained it over another ship.
I've flown and trained for every possible missile boat above a tengu and nothing outperforms it partly due to the tengu being OP, but also because missile boat bs's are subpar to bs turret boats in just about every way.

So, I will see removal of the tengu as the top tier missile boat for lvl 4 missioners, but will also NOT see the rebalance of a single missile boat bs in order to compensate.
This means if I want comperable efficiency to what I had with the tengu, I'm going to have to cross train for a turret boat, and probably take a large hit because no one is going to want a tengu built for lvl 4 missions anymore.

/me starts training Gunnery

Do you want them to balance ships now and missiles later?

That would mean missiles would be balanced after all subcaps are rebalanced. That's quite long time to wait...

Of course they can't balance ships before weapon system those ships use is in line with other weapon systems in same class.

HAMs still work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSoFCC26KGw

Oversized ABs too until they rebalance T3s (probably last subcap ship class).

Thats nice vid.. But why is it bad thing that T3 can fit 100mn AB? Thats the whole point of T3 imho. That you can modify it with subsystems to be unique in the ways T1 and T2 hulls never can be. You want T3's to just be low sig battlecruisers or what? Or you want everyone to fly with similar ships without ability to modify them for your needs? Like microwave meals you can always add ketchup to them but their still just microwave meals..

Also that most 100mn T3's will disappear anyways after HML nerf hits the tengu. These few rare 100mn legions wont be playing big role here.

100mn AB T3's are part of this game and they shouldnt be removed is my opinion.. Even i dont really fly them myself i think others should be able to fit them. Ive have used 100mn fleet T3 few times tho..


Edit: well you didnt actually say that you would want to remove them but thats how i did understood you..