EVE General Discussion

Well...if EVE were IKEA it would all be Minmatar crap.

Just saying...

An excellent point, but this would only hold true if those seeking or at the very least, acceptant of said changes were in fact new.

I'd be almost willing to wager that a very large portion of the players telling some of the bittervets to pull their heads in have been around a lot longer than 2-3 years.

We can rant and rave all we like about this so-called "softening", but it still comes down to the ONLY people who would REALLY be affected by said changes to highsec are gankers.

The only people bitching about miner exhumer buffs are gankers!

How many gankers do nothing but gank - all day, every day - as a profession? Betcha it aint many. In fact, the majority of arguments are coming from one alliance (and friends) which is maybe 4 or 5 players in total. Throw in a couple of read my blog whores and that's your we-must-gank-train.

Have we convinced ourselves that Eve is a "cold harsh universe" purely on our ability to suicide gank? Is THAT what makes Eve a good game? Seriously?

And yet, this argument being perpetuated, totally out of all proportion, is not even about the ability to gank, the argument is about the abilitiy to gank PROFITABLY.

THAT'S IT... We're arguing for an IKEA Eve, a standardisation across all sectors, because a ganker is too lazy to kill miners where they CAN be killed profitably.

For mine, if the "htfu crowd" are screaming blue-murder in defense of a very small part of the game without actually understanding the simplest of logic or solutions, perhaps the call from the "stfu crowd" is a little more than justified - it may in fact be neccessary.

I forgot about you. Make it 5 or 6.

edit - well, i had a well typed response but the forums ate it.

Hisec is already safer with sec status requirements, police and concord. Game mechanics and magical NPC protectors what more do you need?

The largest most unfortunate event to happen over the last few years in this game has been the very point I was hoping you'd bring up. The Mining Barge/Exhumer Change. Before the change, exhumers and barges were perfectly tank-able. I myself tried several times to gank a hulk with a destroyer only to find out that hulks are no joke and I barely scratched him. If ones searches my killboard history you'll see I have failed many ganks and never succeded. Oh hey maybe its not as easy as every whiner claims it was eh? They were fit for tank and enjoying the ganker tears mightily. The problem is you had a lazy player-base who didn't want to have to fit a tank or pay attention and whined to CCP to do something about it.

The day CCP changed the GAME to meet the demand of lazy, self entitled idiots will forever to me be ten times worse than the incarna debacle. No, EVE isn't dieing, but it is changing, and unfortunately I think it will alienate those who heavily invested themselves in the Darwinian style of play we all relished so much and thought would never change.

What you'll notice is that we aren't going to go down quietly. In traditional Darwinian fashion we will try and try and try again to keep ganking/scamming/griefing/killing/building/inventing/mining/teaching and playing better than anybody else in the universe. Or at least until it all gets dumbed down so far for those who cant be bothered to put any effort that we will eventually lose interest and go play mech warrior online.

IKEA sells sandbox furniture.

Notice how your definition does not include any of the words “complete”, “total”, or “absolute”. So yes, highsec should be no different than the other sec levels in terms of what PvP dangers you might face.

Wasn't my defn but still. Fair point.

And it isn't safe Tippia and I'm not really arguing that.

The ganker CAN still gank. The miner CAN still die.

The GankerMan whine because he CAN'T make a PROFIT in HIGHSEC.

THAT is the entire argument in a nutshell.

Why do you whine with a new thread everyday?