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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#141 - 2012-10-09 23:11:32 UTC
So the day will come when people game the heck out of everything "just to get kills" will be gone?

You know, the kind of people who sit on a gate and kill everything that moves for no reason, and if a superior force shows up, they jump into an Orca that goes into highsec?

The people who scream "this is a sandbox" yet they make it a litterbox?


Now CCP wants players to basically be able to undock and get into PVP without having to go through gank/blob pipelines or be a 0.0 renter/slave and use, as the targets, the very people who have been epeen stroking over how great and powerful their leet playstyle is and how everybody should PVP.


So people who want to get into PVP won't have to resort to the lowsec camper/0.0 renterslave/highsec griefer paradigm and can instead go up against others who are up to various shenanigans for the fun of fighting.

And so those present leet PVP people who can get everything they say the game is all about and everything they claim to punish everybody else for avoiding (PVP) are mad?


Good f**king riddance.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2012-10-09 23:14:21 UTC
Now that's a mad carebear post if I ever saw one.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#143 - 2012-10-09 23:22:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
So the day will come when people game the heck out of everything "just to get kills" will be gone?

You know, the kind of people who sit on a gate and kill everything that moves for no reason, and if a superior force shows up, they jump into an Orca that goes into highsec?

The people who scream "this is a sandbox" yet they make it a litterbox?

Now CCP wants players to basically be able to undock and get into PVP without having to go through gank/blob pipelines or be a 0.0 renter/slave and use, as the targets, the very people who have been epeen stroking over how great and powerful their leet playstyle is and how everybody should PVP.

So people who want to get into PVP won't have to resort to the lowsec camper/0.0 renterslave/highsec griefer paradigm and can instead go up against others who are up to various shenanigans for the fun of fighting.

Actually the lowsec camper/0.0 renter paradigm and other such is only possible through outsourcing all one's logsitical and industrial needs to the invulnerable land of highsec through alts.

The bounty system won't work for the same reason the wardec update didn't result in all sorts of good PVP - penalizing the wardec'ing of large corporations didn't make wardec'ing small corporations more appealing. Likewise, adding new disincentives to initiatiate PvP by retaining the oppressive CONCORD system and adding on top of that a dogpile aggro system for PVPers is just going to result in less combat overall, which means it's up to the thrill of mining scordite safely that'll have to keep players logging in month after month.
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#144 - 2012-10-09 23:49:20 UTC
Poetic.. can you please just contract me all your stuff then stop shitposting?

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#145 - 2012-10-10 00:41:56 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Gillia Winddancer wrote:
Wacktopia wrote:
Eve is a bit like being at the beach. Most people want to go for a swim out into the sea and go on little boats and stuff but they also like to come back to the beach to eat an icecream or whatever.

Take away the beach and it's just sea, and no-one will come. Take away the sea and it's just a desert, and no-one will come.

#seewhatidid?


You compare EVE to a beach at the sea but conveniently forget to mention anything about the sharks?

Shame on you.


Sharks are a perceived threat, as there are less than 10 fatal shark attacks worldwide each year it's a non-issue... now encountering an orange very tall oompa-loompa around New Jersey. There's the real risk

Yep. And we've all heard that you have more risk being hit on the head by a coconut than being eaten by a shark.

Problem is, place I once lived, there were no coconuts!

In fact, statistics said I had more chance of getting eaten by a shark than being killed in a car crash!

Lies, Damn Lies & Statistics.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#146 - 2012-10-10 00:47:58 UTC
I'm pretty sure that by this point sharks, cars and coconuts have all been removed from highsec.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#147 - 2012-10-10 01:39:57 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I'm pretty sure that by this point sharks, cars and coconuts have all been removed from highsec.

Not spaceships...

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Myxx
The Scope
#148 - 2012-10-10 02:24:53 UTC
Water is getting mighty warm. Not in the good way, either.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#149 - 2012-10-10 02:41:45 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I'm pretty sure that by this point sharks, cars and coconuts have all been removed from highsec.

Not spaceships...

We'll see.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#150 - 2012-10-10 03:39:36 UTC
Many years ago EVE Online had no Concord.

You can see how it would have turned out had they kept that model.

Go play Perpetuum.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#151 - 2012-10-10 04:46:10 UTC
OmniBeton wrote:
There is plenty of PVP in null and lowsec, why do you all are so eager to kill players in hisec ? Is it because you are affraid of fighting someone who is prepared and expects fight ? I'm tired of you pathetic cries, "PVPers".


Go away, kid.

This isn't about that, or you.

Next!

Ni.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#152 - 2012-10-10 05:00:59 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Dats a lot of wah wah wah from a tough (keep toes warm, pick on people that can't fight back, nuetral Alts repping me as I hug a station) pvper

Way to go

Hope you cry your way out of the game and then go back to whatever **** slapping game you came from

CCPs game, not yours

HTFU and move to null so I can pod you back to zero sp




Ooooooooh, look out everybody:

WE GOT OURSELVES A REEEEEEAL BADASS HERE!!!1111oneone!!

Come to hi- or losec where potentially everyone wants to pod you back to zero SP, and in hisec especially, you'd be a lot less likely to ever see them coming.

At least, for now.

Do you pathetic, mindless dullsec 1337-tards never get it through your ******* empty heads just how comically one-dimensional and predictable everything about your playstyle really is?

Hisec could potentially be the greatest sandbox of them all, precisely because you usually don't know who your enemy is, who their alt/s is/are, or if/when they're coming (with the theoretical exception of wardecs, but let's not go there just yetRoll)...

What is so hard about this?

Also, bad troll lacks style and any semblance of originality, and is bad.

1/10.

Next!



Ni.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#153 - 2012-10-10 05:27:33 UTC
I don't know who my enemy is either. I thought those two destroyers who warped into my belt were just doing some highsec ratting.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#154 - 2012-10-10 05:51:22 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Now that's a mad carebear post if I ever saw one.



No.


Just tired of people who have to project a game into their pathetic lives as if the whole damned thing matters.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2012-10-10 06:05:24 UTC
I find it amusing when the bears state that if the ganking and asshattery were to continue, subscriptions would be cancelled en masse.

Yet ... for the last 10 years the bears have had to put up with ganking and asshattery and they've continued to subscribe, and subscription numbers rose and rose and rose.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#156 - 2012-10-10 06:09:26 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Thorn Galen wrote:
It's pointless, totally pointless, to play a game where every single gate is camped.
You're an idiot who has never been to lowsec. I get in and out of lowsec all the time with nary a gatecamp to be found.

Try Otelen to Huola. Or Aurcel to Egghelende. There are never gate camps there, unless a freighter has been spotted.


Roger that, let's start hurling insults when we run out of clever things to say and make immediate and wrong assumptions on other people's gameplay, where they've been and how they play. If someone does not fit your picture of what you think should be the right way to do things, then the person is an idiot. Coming from someone like you who posts idiocy most of the time, it comes as no surprise to me that you call me an idiot and think that I have never been to lowsec.

So you found a handful of uncamped gates in lowsec, good for you. A rarity. I find Nullsec far more appealing than lulsec, but thank you for calling me an idiot. At least being an idiot gives me an excuse to call you out on your crapposting.

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#157 - 2012-10-10 06:10:36 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
But what is this promised land? Under what conditions could CCP remove CONCORD and not break the game? As it stands now, to turn off CONCORD would be to turn all of highsec into lowsec. And that's definitely not going to happen. Never. Ever. So the promised land has to be a place where space has become so safe, so regimented, so rules restricted, that CONCORD is an entity that is rarely required. Suspect and criminal flags such a rare occurence, that players can become the police, because the need for a super-police is now moot. And this might be the situation that CCP Soundwave envisions. The only real instance in which CONCORD can be safely removed from the game is one where they are no longer needed. Players can then call themselves the space police, except that there's nothing left to police.

The problem with that logic is, flags are relevant only as long as CONCORD is in place. As soon as someone feels that there's little left to police and CONCORD removed, there will instantly be sooooo much things to police. Lowsec, as you've said. It doesn't really matter if it happens today or in the future.

Also there's another problem with your concerns... So you're saying that living in low/null/wh where everyone can shoot you is sorta fine, but coming into CW2'd hisec with a suspect flag (so that everyone will be able to shoot you too, no different from low for those people) is apparently some sort of suicide. Why so? Yes, hisec is more populated, but it doesn't mean that there is more capable PvP combatants than in low/null/wh. Look at KBs, random hiseccers losing their cruisers/BSs to a Thorax in 4v1 scenario, so much for crowded place instakilling any pirate. That said, there are capable fighters in hisec, but are there so much scarier than in other places? Not that much IMO. The only potential difference is that there are less loner PvPers there probably, but then again it's not like people don't fly in gangs anywhere else, and not that suspects will be forever alone...

And after all, what's the problem with CW2 anyways? Pirates already recieve this treatment in hisec, anyone can shoot them. Removal of neutral w***ing only makes things better IMO (I hope Orca/Carrier abuse will also be fixed btw).
And so, who will be hit by CW2? Canflippers? Lol.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#158 - 2012-10-10 06:19:26 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
...stuff...about ...frogs...


The thing with the frogs...urban legend..
Truth is:
If you heat the water with one degree per minute the frog first starts to get more active and gets to get out of the water (people swearing to quit eve in case of [insert stuff])
At 40° it starts to suffer from heat stress which is also called critical thermal maximum( adapt or die - calls on the forums). If the temp. keeps rising above it falls into heat torpor and dies (people not logging in for some time - eventually unsub).

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2012-10-10 06:22:11 UTC
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
...stuff...about ...frogs...
The thing with the frogs...urban legend.
Really?

I guess I didn't write:
Quote:
Or so the hypothesis goes. Turns out it is complete bunk, the frog will hop out of the water when it becomes uncomfortably warm.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#160 - 2012-10-10 06:31:05 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
...stuff...about ...frogs...
The thing with the frogs...urban legend.
Really?

I guess I didn't write:
Quote:
Or so the hypothesis goes. Turns out it is complete bunk, the frog will hop out of the water when it becomes uncomfortably warm.

my bad

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