EVE General Discussion

TLDR: Read the title.


This is a comment I gleaned from a "click here to read my blog" thread which is, as much as it might hurt some to hear, the crux, the POINT of Eve. I totally agree.

In the context of the thread it came from however, PvP is being coralled into a singular "ship v ship" argument. This is where it's wrong.

- Johnny Reb orbiting MaverickMan firing lasers is PvPíng.
- Nullseccer A taking sov from Nullseccer B for the purpose of having more T-Moons is PvPíng.

However,
- Miner X, racing to get his minerals to market and under-cutting Miner Y is PvP'ing.
- Indy C, researching a BPO to be a better ME than Indy D is PvP'ing.

i.e. PvP is NOT restricted to ship v ship - it's relative to the individual. As it should be.

In recent days, I am seeing a belligerent POV (from only a few it must be said) that CCP is dumbing down Eve, turning it into a carebear heaven yaddy ya. I am even seeing fairly strong reactions from CCP locking threads against this belligerence and getting pretty pointed as to why.

Eve-O modding seems to be shifting stance from being fairly apolitical to fairly pointed - perhaps defensively - perhaps they are calling BS for BS when it is - a good thing too imho.

And really, it is all getting a bit stupid. CCP, is, from my where I stand, simply quantifying what PvP should be in highsec, the "safer environment". They are putting some wrappers around some rather confusing aggression mechanics in highsec that for mine, have been stumbling blocks to inject and RETAIN noobs into the game.

HS is MEANT to be safer. The angst against changes to make HS rules clearer and perhaps, more consensually based is keeping me quite bemused. Why?

Reality check: The person paying the sub that presses F1 to add a mark to his KB pays exactly the same amount of money as the person who presses F1 to kill a roid or an NPC.

If a miner for example strips every belt and dumps to market, other miners pay the price - that's THEIR problem. They can outstrip him, cut the price, whatever. He's PvP'ing. He can in fact, kill him or hire someone to do so.

Put bluntly, "Everything in Eve is PvP" as meaning "you HAVE to asplode" is plain and simply wrong.

Eve as a whole is not an IKEA store where you can expect every item in every store to be exactly the same. It's NOT a convenience store where you, the ganker, the PvP'er, use the safety of Concord so YOU can move around "safely" and then bemoan the user who stays in HS, also using Concord to "safely" move around.

As much as anyone has the right to say "FITE MY FRIG NOOB", MinerMan, MissionMan and IndyMan have the rght to say "NO, SORRY, I'M BUSY UNDERCUTTING PLAYER X".

Who said YOU decide?

And really, trying to make HS as "dangerous" and as "PvP centric" (by the incorrect definition) as LS and 0.0 would turn Eve into an IKEA store where everything is the same.

If that isn't "dumbing it down" then what the hell is?

Ok, thread cleaned of off topic posts. Please respect other forum users and try to post sensibly, thank you - ISD Type40.

Eve is definitely not IKEA. I went to my local shop and got some very funny looks when I asked where the microwarpdrives were kept.

Back OT, tend to agree with OP

If Eve was IKEA, You would recieve error messages during new ship assembly stating that you have hardware missing.

"Market PVP is PVP, therefore there is nothing wrong with making highsec based exclusively around market PVP and grinding"

lol

As long as the complete removal of all highsec aggression (actual, not "effective") is coupled with it, it makes sense.

I'm pretty sure IKEA is in our EVE... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwnrlEGCKwU

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nice edit

I don't know, tell us why are you quite bemused?

Hahaha,

That's pretty nice.