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Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#21 - 2012-10-09 13:12:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Meditril
Vilnius Zar wrote:

100+ dps @16km optimal with 4 falloff, it even fits a TD to lower incoming damage. Ofcourse it's not "the same" but it's capable of doing the same thing with just slightly lower performance, at a fraction of the cost.


It's definatelly a good fit at least on paper, however dps is still lower than the Slicer has and optimal is lower (too low), which is an issue if you want to do reliable damage while orbiting a moving target. Having a TD is naturally a benefit, however I am really wondering how long it takes to cap out when running MWD + Disruptor + TD + Laser. Cap is really relevant here if you are engaging not paper thin targets.

At the end it sounds well balanced for me. Executioner is cheaper and different, but Slicer is still more powerful with regards to a pure DPS boat. Current slicer prices are artificially high and will go down once faction warefare is fixed with the next patch. It makes sense that the gap between T1 and Faction Frigs is not that large as it was in the past.
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#22 - 2012-10-09 13:40:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
Meditril wrote:
Vilnius Zar wrote:

100+ dps @16km optimal with 4 falloff, it even fits a TD to lower incoming damage. Ofcourse it's not "the same" but it's capable of doing the same thing with just slightly lower performance, at a fraction of the cost.


It's definatelly a good fit at least on paper, however dps is still lower than the Slicer has and optimal is lower (too low), which is an issue if you want to do reliable damage while orbiting a moving target. Having a TD is naturally a benefit, however I am really wondering how long it takes to cap out when running MWD + Disruptor + TD + Laser. Cap is really relevant here if you are engaging not paper thin targets.

At the end it sounds well balanced for me. Executioner is cheaper and different, but Slicer is still more powerful with regards to a pure DPS boat. Current slicer prices are artificially high and will go down once faction warefare is fixed with the next patch. It makes sense that the gap between T1 and Faction Frigs is not that large as it was in the past.



4+ minutes running it all, warp disruptor cap bonus on the executioner is godly :) dps difference is about 10%, ie not that amazing. And the TD really makes it a ton of a difference.

PS I edited the fit, had the wrong one. have a look again.
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#23 - 2012-10-09 14:30:08 UTC
I tried the new kestrel on the test server....

yeah, even the hookbill isnt as good. The kestrel is an AWESOME light missile sniper!
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#24 - 2012-10-09 15:19:54 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:

4+ minutes running it all, warp disruptor cap bonus on the executioner is godly :) dps difference is about 10%, ie not that amazing. And the TD really makes it a ton of a difference.

PS I edited the fit, had the wrong one. have a look again.


You got me getting worried about Faction Frigs... especially since CCP will also remove one major benefit of Faction Frigates with the next patch. As far as I know they will not fit into a small plex any more. We will see how it works out. Maybe it will result for a few years that Faction Frigates will be just shiny toys, but not of much use like they have been some years ago... time will show it Cry
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#25 - 2012-10-09 19:11:50 UTC
Meditril wrote:
Vilnius Zar wrote:

4+ minutes running it all, warp disruptor cap bonus on the executioner is godly :) dps difference is about 10%, ie not that amazing. And the TD really makes it a ton of a difference.

PS I edited the fit, had the wrong one. have a look again.


You got me getting worried about Faction Frigs... especially since CCP will also remove one major benefit of Faction Frigates with the next patch. As far as I know they will not fit into a small plex any more. We will see how it works out. Maybe it will result for a few years that Faction Frigates will be just shiny toys, but not of much use like they have been some years ago... time will show it Cry


Won't get into minors????? where is this blasphemy! My firetails are ****** now :(

Firetail is my fave little go to frigate. In shield, kiting arty or in armour flavours.

Yes.. I said Kiting arty :P

If I can fly that in minors where the bollocks will it have use in FW?

Also, Medi, i love you mate but you can't have my fits. They are super secret! (Or on evekill :P)

Back to Op anyway.

Comet = not much experience personally with it but I've seen friends do godly things in them where and incursus trying the same stuff got popped.

Hookbill = Incredibly flexible only let down by its lack of high slot for utility. A fearsome opponent 1v1 in similar sized ships of any flavour. Can kite as a light missile launching, tracking disrupting, kiting bastard ship OR it can brawl, hold you at arms length and apply rockets to your face till you die trying to hit it.

Firetail = Incredibly flexible hull, can armour tank, shield tank, kite and brawl. It's strength lies in the fact you just don't know how its set up till you look at its guns and velocity. This ship can fit a utility high which means it can be an brutal tackler with a nos/TD combo against larger ship classes.

Slicer = Kiting master, a real pseudo interceptor with blistering speed for a tech 1 ship while sporting decent frig level DPS at a very solid range.
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#26 - 2012-10-09 19:24:09 UTC
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:


Won't get into minors????? where is this blasphemy! My firetails are ****** now :(

Firetail is my fave little go to frigate. In shield, kiting arty or in armour flavours.

Yes.. I said Kiting arty :P

If I can fly that in minors where the bollocks will it have use in FW?

Also, Medi, i love you mate but you can't have my fits. They are super secret! (Or on evekill :P)


CCP's going to be making a series of plex levels:
t1 frigs only
t2 frigs/dessies/faction frigs/t1 frigs (of course)
cruisers and down
everything

Or at least I think that's how they intend to set things up. I'd have to go back and read the thread in (F&I?) the other subforum.
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#27 - 2012-10-09 19:35:34 UTC
I tend to use D Firetail and Comet.

I setup my Firetail and fly it like I do a Dramiel. One does 165dps and the other does 195dps.

I tend to shield tank my Comet and even z Daredevil so, yeah! I only really use them in D police fleets I lead and not solo.

I prefer z Firetail solo.

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#28 - 2012-10-09 19:39:04 UTC
Metal Icarus wrote:
I tried the new kestrel on the test server....

yeah, even the hookbill isnt as good. The kestrel is an AWESOME light missile sniper!


And its a beastly facemelter to full scram range with Rockets

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Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-10-10 07:54:41 UTC
Goldensaver wrote:
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:


Won't get into minors????? where is this blasphemy! My firetails are ****** now :(

Firetail is my fave little go to frigate. In shield, kiting arty or in armour flavours.

Yes.. I said Kiting arty :P

If I can fly that in minors where the bollocks will it have use in FW?

Also, Medi, i love you mate but you can't have my fits. They are super secret! (Or on evekill :P)


CCP's going to be making a series of plex levels:
t1 frigs only
t2 frigs/dessies/faction frigs/t1 frigs (of course)
cruisers and down
everything

Or at least I think that's how they intend to set things up. I'd have to go back and read the thread in (F&I?) the other subforum.


hmm the navy's need a serious make over, The heavy use of hookbills in FW is mainly due to the fact they can enter sites Hawks can't, if you'd change that most of it's advantage is dropped.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#30 - 2012-10-10 09:55:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Meditril
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Quote:

CCP's going to be making a series of plex levels:
t1 frigs only
t2 frigs/dessies/faction frigs/t1 frigs (of course)
cruisers and down
everything

Or at least I think that's how they intend to set things up. I'd have to go back and read the thread in (F&I?) the other subforum.


hmm the navy's need a serious make over, The heavy use of hookbills in FW is mainly due to the fact they can enter sites Hawks can't, if you'd change that most of it's advantage is dropped.


Indeed, it really worries me that T1 / Faction Cruisers will probably be banned to level 3 plexes / missions and that Faction Frigates will be banned to level 2 plexes / missions. This will really make their benefits questionable for many cases. This will get especially an issue if CCP doesn't raise the amount of higher level plexes in a system.
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