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William Bowman
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-10-08 22:46:24 UTC
Hi there, I am at the point now of buying the skill book for a carrier, I am closest to Nid has i have the battleship 5 on minmitar already...

Currently I live in a C4 with c3 static and i wanted to have a carrier in the c4 to defend the POS, however i have longer term plans of getting into c5's which I understand the Archon is best! but how well would a Nid work in a C5? am i really doing to have to train for both?.. id rather not!
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#2 - 2012-10-08 23:36:36 UTC
For general POS defence/maintenance the nid is useful to have with its remote rep bonus however for most PVP situations no other carrier is in the same league as the archon. Pretty much any of the carriers will do for sites but the archon with its energy rep range bonus makes its a bit easier.

You don't really need a carrier in a C4 for POS defence tho as a well setup ****/death star will put most people off bashing it unless you actually give them a reason to and you'd have to build a carrier inside the C4 which is a ton of work for something that most of the time will just sit there.
William Bowman
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-10-09 00:12:50 UTC
Good point, the nid will just be sitting there in the c4 doing little/nothing else! well maybe I should just get an archon trained up, but not built till in a c5 then.. i like the fact it can do well in PVP and PVE in a c5 so a good all round ship by the sounds of it, no use in the c4 though as we run shield tengus on the sites, well i could i guess cap transfer! and get some fighters out.. least ill get some carrier experience then before chucking it at a c5!
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#4 - 2012-10-09 00:30:05 UTC
Not sure if your aware or not - can't jump capitals in or out of a C1-4 only C5 and C6 so if you make one in a C4 it will stay there til its destroyed.

For C4 sites you can still shove capital remote shield reps on an archon and rep the tengu just means they have to stay within 15km of you.
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#5 - 2012-10-09 00:35:10 UTC
Archon all the way. It beats nid in everything except pos repping OP. And I am sure you wont be repping pos's in WH since if someone wants to re'inf your pos they'd be there to finish it off.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-10-09 01:48:52 UTC
Archon.
Don't ask, just train it.

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Shane Joven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-10-09 06:46:36 UTC
Chimera Has no place? even for shield based fleets?
Random Woman
Very Professional Corporation
#8 - 2012-10-09 06:51:41 UTC
Chimera is the almost most awesome capital there is, in a wh. Almost, as there still is the Phoenix. But then thats not a carrier.
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-10-09 07:11:12 UTC
Random Woman wrote:
Chimera is the almost most awesome capital there is, in a wh. Almost, as there still is the Phoenix. But then thats not a carrier.


lol at that.

Chimera if Pulsar if not Archon. thats basically it.

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Ashimat
Clandestine Services
#10 - 2012-10-09 07:32:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashimat
Archon if you run a armor doctrine. Chimera if you run shield. Nid or Thanatos if you want to only train one carrier and be sure to be at least a little bit useful in any situation.

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Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#11 - 2012-10-09 09:02:30 UTC
Niddy, in my opinion is a beaut... But I had a Chimera for the C6 pulsar we lived in, and then when we moved, that guy was sold and I bought an Archon, which is ideal. I own 2 Niddy's also, but don't use them, they are just spinners...

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-10-09 11:17:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Ashimat wrote:
Archon if you run a armor doctrine. Chimera if you run shield. Nid or Thanatos if you want to only train one carrier and be sure to be at least a little bit useful in any situation.


incorrect.
if you only want to train 1 carrier, train archon.

chimera in a pulsar (obviously) i suppose.

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Ashimat
Clandestine Services
#13 - 2012-10-09 11:42:16 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Ashimat wrote:
Archon if you run a armor doctrine. Chimera if you run shield. Nid or Thanatos if you want to only train one carrier and be sure to be at least a little bit useful in any situation.


incorrect.
if you only want to train 1 carrier, train archon.

chimera in a pulsar (obviously) i suppose.

hehe, i wont go clinch with ya, it's a matter of views. If you want to only train one carrier and want the one that you will have most use for in w-space, it's most def the Archon. But that's not what I said, was it?

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jonnykefka
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#14 - 2012-10-09 12:15:24 UTC
In a pulsar, a niddy or chimera can be extremely effective. I've fought QUL enough to know that.

Anywhere else, archon is probably your best bet.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#15 - 2012-10-09 15:27:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Even in a pulsar where ofcourse you want a chimera you have to throw a fair bit of pimp at the chimera to match the capabilities of a T2 fit archon in normal space due to how tight it is on fitting :( however a decent fit and somewhat pimp chimera/nid/thanny in a pulsar is pretty powerful - with the ability to cap tank a bhaal or 2 or even more in extreme cases like Phoenix Gold's chimera in a C6 and local tank in the region of 40+K dps.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#16 - 2012-10-09 18:46:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
N.B.: Archon cannot rep a large control tower, as the Archon lacks a shield rep range bonus which all other carriers have.

Nid are very handy for repping POS as they can rep the tower shield and any defences, which are mostly armor. However, Nids are hard to fit, so they armor tank when repping shield and shield tank when repping armor.

Only the Archon and Chimera have resist bonuses.

Archon is by far the best carrier overall.

I'm a Chimera pilot. I have an alt that is a Chimera and Thanatos pilot, and an alt that is an Archon pilot.
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#17 - 2012-10-09 19:31:53 UTC
You run armor doctrine and don't live in a pulsar because of the Archon.

Archon for WH. No doubt.

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Romvex
TURN LEFT
#18 - 2012-10-09 20:53:27 UTC
watch an Rooks and Kings video battle report. believe me, you'll train Archon.
LanFear TyRaX
Lead Farmers
#19 - 2012-10-10 15:11:25 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
N.B.: Archon cannot rep a large control tower, as the Archon lacks a shield rep range bonus which all other carriers have.

Nid are very handy for repping POS as they can rep the tower shield and any defences, which are mostly armor. However, Nids are hard to fit, so they armor tank when repping shield and shield tank when repping armor.


If you towers got RF-ed it's because you didn't have enough archons to begin with ! (j/k)

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William Bowman
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-10-10 20:46:45 UTC
Archon BPC's bought :) cheers all
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