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Looking to imnprove standings for trading alts
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Barrak
The Painted Ones
#1 - 2012-09-22 13:16:25 UTC
Hi,

I have two alts that sit in stations and semi-trade (when I can be bothered), but mostly just sell things for me.

I want to start improving them a little bit in terms of their skills but also their standings.

I think I have this the right way, please correct me if I am wrong.

Barrak here has very strong Caldari NAVY standing (9.23) but poor corp standing. Now, as Jita 4-4 is owned by the Caldari Navy, this should still work for me.

He also has strong Minmatar faction standing (7.81) after running missions for Tribal Liberation Force. However Rens is owned by Brutor Tribe, which I have no standings with, BUT, as I have faction standing I should still be okay?

Assuming I have the above correct, can someone please explain to me how I raise each of their standings? I guess I run combat missions (which I can do easily), but how does it actually work as in accepting the mission, tagging along, completeing etc?

Please note that neither of my traders have an ounce of combat skills in them.

Regards

Barrak
Lucas41
SOMACOM
#2 - 2012-09-22 14:10:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas41
Barrak wrote:
Hi,

I have two alts that sit in stations and semi-trade (when I can be bothered), but mostly just sell things for me.

I want to start improving them a little bit in terms of their skills but also their standings.

I think I have this the right way, please correct me if I am wrong.

Barrak here has very strong Caldari NAVY standing (9.23) but poor corp standing. Now, as Jita 4-4 is owned by the Caldari Navy, this should still work for me.

He also has strong Minmatar faction standing (7.81) after running missions for Tribal Liberation Force. However Rens is owned by Brutor Tribe, which I have no standings with, BUT, as I have faction standing I should still be okay?

Assuming I have the above correct, can someone please explain to me how I raise each of their standings? I guess I run combat missions (which I can do easily), but how does it actually work as in accepting the mission, tagging along, completeing etc?



Please note that neither of my traders have an ounce of combat skills in them.

Regards

Barrak



1. Faction standings are taken into account when working with agents. So you can be neutral to a particular NPC corp, but with a 7 faction standing you will still be able to access that NPC corps level 4 agents.
Raising the standings of you alts;

2. Select the NPC station that you want to run for first. Optimum mission running would be to find a NPC corp with security and distribution agent. The distribution agent is for your non combat skilled alt. They generally just give hauling missions. However the story line missions can be combat focused. You can use your combat toon to complete those.

3. If you just want to share standings for specific NPC corps and not the bounty. The alt does not have to be in the same system or region. When you turn in the missions you will be presented with the option of sharing standings and rewards. Just select yes. I have also seen people put their alts in noctis and have them salvage and loot as they run their missions. However, how you decide to run your boosting is entirely up to you.

4. From my personal experience it seems faster to boost one toon at a time running security missions. Combat missions gives higher NPC standings boost per mission. However, having your alt run distribution missions will allow him to contribute to the cause. Also after 15 missions he will get a storyline mission.
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#3 - 2012-09-22 14:28:04 UTC
So.... with my main here (Barrak) I:

1. Fleet with my alt.
2. Accept a mission
3. Leave alt at station
4. Complete mission
5. Hand mission in asking for standings to be shared?

If I recall correctly I do this until the ALT can accept the same missions and then I get my Main to run them and then keep all the standings for the ALT?

Other than grinding standings at the same time, why would I want to run distribution missions with my ALT?


Regards

barrak
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#4 - 2012-09-22 23:11:30 UTC
Anyone able to confirm my last comment please?

Regards

Barrak
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#5 - 2012-09-23 08:55:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
This chart explains how standings influence your trading fees.

As for how to raise these standings on (combat-)skillless alts, all I know is there is supposed to be a service that will allow you to fleet with them while they run missions for shared standings gain.
And that they are not cheap.


Edit: that chart is a bit old, market fees were raised recently ("to keep ther economy healthy" ha, ha)

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Princess Strawberry
#6 - 2012-09-23 11:11:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Strawberry
Barrak wrote:
So.... with my main here (Barrak) I:

1. Fleet with my alt.
2. Accept a mission
3. Leave alt at station
4. Complete mission
5. Hand mission in asking for standings to be shared?

If I recall correctly I do this until the ALT can accept the same missions and then I get my Main to run them and then keep all the standings for the ALT?

Other than grinding standings at the same time, why would I want to run distribution missions with my ALT?


Regards

barrak


I've done that, the problem with it is that if you accept missions with your alt, your main won't know where to fly to (only your alt will have the bookmark for the mission). Also missions don't spawn until someone warps to them. So you have to fleet up with your alt, have your alt warp to the mission, [edit] then warp to your alt [end of edit], then you can complete the mission. But since some missions have aggro on warp in, your alt might get shot a bit in some missions. So just use a shuttle, or even warp in with a pod if you like (NPCs won't attack pods). [edit] but to answer your other question, at least in this scenario your alt can complete the mission and get 100% of the standings increase by not sharing it with the others in fleet (i.e. your main). You will have to trade in-station any mission items, of course.

Since your alt probably has bad standings, you are better accepting level 4 combat missions with your main (your alt probably can't access them yet) since they give a much greater standings boost than anything else.

Even when my alt can do level 4 missions, generally I've found it less micro-management to just do missions on my main while I do distribution missions (using autopilot) with my alt at the same time.

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Lucas41
SOMACOM
#7 - 2012-09-24 14:39:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas41
Barrak wrote:
So.... with my main here (Barrak) I:

1. Fleet with my alt.
2. Accept a mission
3. Leave alt at station
4. Complete mission
5. Hand mission in asking for standings to be shared?

If I recall correctly I do this until the ALT can accept the same missions and then I get my Main to run them and then keep all the standings for the ALT?

Other than grinding standings at the same time, why would I want to run distribution missions with my ALT?


Regards

barrak


First - Sorry about that didn't mean to leave you hanging.

Yes, 1-5 is correct process.

While distribution agents don't provide the boost or isk at the level security agents do. These are easy missions and at 15 your none combat skilled alt would get a storyline mission which would also give the alt faction and npc corp standings.

Once the alt can accept missions on it's own. Using fleet mechanics, set the alt up as squad leader that way he/she can warp your main toon to the mission site. Of course you would just cancel the warp on the alt to prevent it from warping into a none gated site. If your not going to use the alt to salvage and loot via a noctis you can then return the alt to station with the agent and wait for the main to complete the mission.

I hope this answers your questions....


Just a little reminder, that you can not share faction standings. So once the main get's a storyline you can select to share standings and rewards. However, the alt will only share in the rewards (isk) and NPC corp standings boost. The only missions that allow you to share faction standings are the Epic Arc missions.
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#8 - 2012-09-24 14:48:34 UTC
It does.....

thanks all.

just gota drag my main outa the hole now :)

Cheers again.

Barrak
Asari Tadaruwa
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-09-24 16:51:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Asari Tadaruwa
quicker to accept with trader fly out with main send him to the spot and trader goes back to station. once completed drop fleet and dont share the standings at all.

you have to fly out with the combat anyway so why not with the trader also and not share.

also if you dont care about opposite standings you can raise your minnie alot faster with your trader by defensive plexing for the militia but that doesnt up the standings with the station you are in. you will lose alot of amarr and caldari standing goind it that way though
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#10 - 2012-09-24 21:09:15 UTC
If my trader accepts the mission but doesn't fly out, I thought he still had the choice to take all the standing or to share it? Is that not the case?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#11 - 2012-09-24 21:24:01 UTC
Barrak wrote:
If my trader accepts the mission but doesn't fly out, I thought he still had the choice to take all the standing or to share it? Is that not the case?


Yeah, you still have the option. Sharing has nothing to do with anything except checking the proper button when you hand in the mission.
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#12 - 2012-10-08 15:02:12 UTC
Another quick question.

How will storyline missions work when running things this way?

Assuming Barrak here, at least at the start, is collecting and handing in missions. Will it only be him that can accept and run a storyline mission? Is he able to share the standing gain?

On another note, is my alt able to hand in missions that he did not accept?

Regards
Selw kotsidakia
Three Deep Cuts
#13 - 2012-10-09 01:05:57 UTC
Sharing storyline missions only share the corp standing(not completely sure) and rewards, not the faction(100% sure). Also nope, your alt won't be able to hand in missions he did not accept.

Also try to see if there are quite distribution agends in one station. Worked with me for La Dai where one station had 2 level 3 distr and 4 level 2. I took a bestower and accepted all the missions. I focused on delivering the level 3s, while delivering the level 2s if the destination was close. Generaly there were 2 "routes" for destinations so i picked the route with the most profit in standings. Worked quite well and raised standing a lot faster than expected. Maybe it's a special case with that station and corp, but it surely worths searching for it. Your alt can do it while your main shares the security missions.
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#14 - 2012-10-09 08:34:07 UTC
Thank you.
Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
#15 - 2012-10-09 08:59:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Denal Umbra
Why not start with cosmos/career agents/data centers first on the traders?

When i was boosting mine i got social 5 on the trader and did all the career missions. Faction standing ended up at 2.6 (unmodified). Afterwards handed in all the tags and hit 4.2 standing. Did the whole cosmos missions for amarr and reached 7.3 standing.

Afterwards, it was real easy to pick up the lvl3/4 missions with the alt, squad-warp the main there and then fly back to station with the alt.

Time taken:
3-4h for all career agents
15 min for data centers
8h for all amarr cosmos missions

Edit: This was all without connections skills, didn't need it to be able to access all the agents. Had to go back to the data centers after hitting 5.0 standing to hand in the highest ones. Could of gotten +0.5-0.7 more with the 10m+ tags as well but... meh.
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#16 - 2012-10-09 12:36:18 UTC
very interesting.

I've done all three sets of career agents for my trader and have gotten his faction standing to 3+, though, that includes skills.

I had not really considered the COSMOS or data centre agents, though I certainly will now.

I'll investigate those asap.

Thank you.

Regards

Barrak
Doddy
Excidium.
#17 - 2012-10-09 14:25:13 UTC
One of the minmatar data centres is brutor tribe iirc, so you can buy standing with them.
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#18 - 2012-10-09 14:50:20 UTC
Gets better and better.......
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#19 - 2012-10-09 17:24:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrak
Just doing some readin up on the COSMOS agents now.

My alt is at 3+ faction standing already, is it worth doing the lower level ones. That question is based on the assumption that you can do all levels and not just one of the levels.

Anyone know if the Caldari COSMOS can be completed with basic combat skills in a Dessie (thrasher)?

Regards
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-10-09 17:34:03 UTC
Just by doing the Datacenter agents your 3+ alt should get to about 6, maybe 7, faction standing. Some of the tags required are fairly expensive but ofc is quick as hell. If you still need more standings after that you can do COSMOS and I'd start with the L1 ones since a) every little bit counts; and b) some of the L1 missions give a fairly large boost (iirc, been a while).

Make sure you look up the chart that was posted a bit higher up. It's best to have high standings towards both the faction and the corp that owns the station you're trading in.
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