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[Winter] Support Frigates

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Stegas Tyrano
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#461 - 2012-10-09 14:54:54 UTC
Please give them alternate boni for Tracking Links, Remote Sensor Boosters, Remote ECCM and Energy Transfer pleaaase Sad

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The Bazzalisk
High Security Rehabilitation Facility
Accept Your Fate
#462 - 2012-10-09 15:18:07 UTC
New ship roles are great and all, but other than lulz frigate roams, I can't see any practical use for these. inb4 they are purely used for cynos.
Kagumichan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#463 - 2012-10-09 15:40:07 UTC
I'm gonna take a guess that hopefully the new destroyers are gonna be as cheap as currently existing destroyers, and then hopefully smaller and faster so they can have the speed and agility to keep up with frigs too, so they can be a good counter to these new logi frigates, making small gang pvp a bit more varied, and again hopefully will have more balanced slots 'cos the coercers single mid-slot at the moment makes it useless as anything other than a cheap salvage ship since 8 lasers plus an armour rep makes it cap drain unmanagebly fast.

May try and convince my corp to get into frig PvP once these are going though 'cos it sounds like a lot of fun.

Any chance that the size of destroyers will be altered? At the moment they're as large as cruisers and that doesn't make all much sense...
Gaara's sniper
MLG1337420BlazeIt360TitanNoScopeCorporationSWAG
#464 - 2012-10-09 16:18:15 UTC
solo pvp is dead. Now for sure.
Daniel Essig
Descent.
Salty.
#465 - 2012-10-09 16:33:49 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
When will you introduce equally powerful cheap-ass mini-Titans with jump-portaling ability? This will be perfectly in line with CCP general idea of making everything available to everyone.


The exact opposite of what you just said, is one of the reasons EVE has issues attracting new players.

Think .
Borachon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#466 - 2012-10-09 17:50:29 UTC
And here I was hoping the Navitas would get a hull rep bonus to help all of the Taranis pilots out there. Evil
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#467 - 2012-10-09 18:05:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Harvey James
Borachon wrote:
And here I was hoping the Navitas would get a hull rep bonus to help all of the Taranis pilots out there. Evil


Lol but you have a point there most gallente blaster frigs hull tank
It would be nice if they did make it viable at hull repping that's a area that could do with some love.

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Quontor Zarrkos
Island Monkeys
#468 - 2012-10-09 19:01:40 UTC
Quote:
Please give them alternate boni for Tracking Links, Remote Sensor Boosters, Remote ECCM and Energy Transfer pleaaase


I second this, this is great. However the one with energy transfer bonus could be a bit unbalanced.
Bruce Destro
Global Dominance Initiative
#469 - 2012-10-09 20:57:37 UTC
Having seven targets in a frigate is a bit ridiculous. i feel it should be more around 5, and require target switching in somewhat larger fleets. this will also help younger pilots get the feel of much larger fleets, as well as give solo pilots a BIT of a chance.
Arch Stanton's Neighbour
Forceful Resource Acquisition Inc
#470 - 2012-10-12 19:10:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Arch Stanton's Neighbour
I thought the logi frigs were supposed to fit medium remote reps (same as logi cruisers fit larges)
GizzyBoy
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#471 - 2012-10-17 05:57:05 UTC
I knew there was a reason i stock piled 50 centii a-type small remote armour reps at 10k each =D
Cha Ching!
Shiroh Yatamii
Alexylva Paradox
#472 - 2012-10-25 06:52:24 UTC
Looking back on all of this, these logi frigs just make more and more sense as other changes are revealed. You won't be seeing the annoying neutral RR in hisec with the Crime Watch changes. The new missile destroyers will just alpha these out of existence, or the Amarr one will neut them dry, or the Gallente one will droneswarm them. Nevermind the EW frig changes.

There are so many counters to these things. Don't declare solo dead just yet.
Brego Tralowski
Tralowski Independent Traders.
#473 - 2012-10-25 15:18:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Brego Tralowski
What a great addition to the game I sense RvB will have a field day with these in their fleets!

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#474 - 2012-10-25 18:35:44 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
serras bang wrote:
wouldnt the logicl path here be to make the osprey and its counter parts into a full t1 logi criuser. ?


I completely agree.


Doing the same with existing T1 logi cruisers? Does that mean there will also be a new ORE cruiser mining ship in the spring 2013 expansion?
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#475 - 2012-10-25 19:00:55 UTC
Arch Stanton's Neighbour wrote:
I thought the logi frigs were supposed to fit medium remote reps (same as logi cruisers fit larges)


T2 logi cruisers fit larges. The new T1 logi cruisers are designed around medium reps, so it makes sense that the new T1 logi frigates would be designed around small reps.

Now, if T2 logi frigates ever appear...

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Reppyk
The Black Shell
#476 - 2012-10-25 22:31:51 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Now, if T2 logi frigates ever appear...
T2 navitas with capital hull repairs is a go.

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#477 - 2012-10-25 22:40:46 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
serras bang wrote:
wouldnt the logicl path here be to make the osprey and its counter parts into a full t1 logi criuser. ?


I completely agree.


Doing the same with existing T1 logi cruisers? Does that mean there will also be a new ORE cruiser mining ship in the spring 2013 expansion?


ORE has a complete line of mining barges in T1 and T2 variants for your excavation needs.

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Black Eagle1
#478 - 2012-10-25 22:49:36 UTC
Switch Navitas armor repping bonus with a hull repping bonus and we're good to go. Big smile
S1dy
Uplifting Infernal Paradise
#479 - 2012-10-26 08:37:50 UTC  |  Edited by: S1dy
Because of this changes and that comment, i made a few runs in the new EFT.

It is possible to fit Medium Shield Transfer but not viable cause the Burst is only able to fit 1 Meta Medium Shield Transfer that boosts 288 HP in 5 s. With 3 Small Shield Transfers it is able to boost 216 HP in 2.25 s. So you have 480 HP in 5 s.
There's also the EHP issue, as always, where a Small Shield Transfer Burst has 5799. A Medium Shield Transfer Burst got only 3712 EHP with MWD (not capstable) and 3809 EHP with AB.
And even the range isn't that much better. A Medium Shield Transfer has 36 km range, the small one 28.8 km.

Here's another one:

[Burst, PvP Burst Medium]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Medium S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Medium S95a Partial Shield Transporter
'Regard' Power Projector

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I

It needs a 2% Power Grid Implant (or you fit a T2 Rig) and capacitor lasts for 48 s all online or 1m 8s with Invu offline. It's capstable with only 1 Medium Shield Transfer online (-15,6/+21,6), so you could pulse with the second one if the fight is in its heat. But then again there are nearly no EHP (2919 at max), no Propulsion with only 414 m/s and the Energy Transfer has a 4.2 km range. Even with its 576 HP boost in 5s it's not viable in my opinion.

The Bantam needs no futher look at because its slotlayout is even crappier for Medium Shield Transfers. So i don't see any advantage with this new fitting requirements.
Cadava Mendosa
#480 - 2012-10-26 09:23:07 UTC
Am I missing something? I didn't think the support frigates were meant to be able to fit medium reppers? I thought that was the realm of cruisers and RR setups?