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CSM7 Progress Reports - from the desk of the Vice Secretary

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Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#1 - 2012-10-07 19:49:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
As we have now entered the busy season of our term, with several intense months leading up to Retribution expansion before jumping into work on the Spring expansion, I've been compiling a list of our recent activities as a series of blog posts. I would like to cross-link them here for maximum accessibility.

CSM7 Autumn Progress Report - (Activities since the May Summit)

CSM7 Progress Report: October 7 2012 - (Activities since the previous Progress Report)

CSM7 Progress Report: November 19, 2012 - (Activities since the previous Progress Report)

I will continue to update this thread as more progress reports are released.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#2 - 2012-10-08 12:48:00 UTC
All that clicking and reading is a lot more effort than not clicking and not reading and continuing to assert that you've done nothing to deserve your election.

Couldn't you just reply in detail to each individual who demands that you account for yourself?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#3 - 2012-10-08 13:01:35 UTC

As a bit of constructive criticism, putting "Ongoing pressure to..." tells me nothing. Try to be a bit more specific with it if you can even if its just "Several skype conversations about...".

After all I could legitimately write that we have "put pressure on CCP" because the day before this was published I sent an e-mail. I know I'd prefer to see how as well as the what as it were.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
None ofthe Above
#4 - 2012-10-09 15:52:54 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
Malcanis wrote:
All that clicking and reading is a lot more effort than not clicking and not reading and continuing to assert that you've done nothing to deserve your election.

Couldn't you just reply in detail to each individual who demands that you account for yourself?


Heh, cute.

Glad to see this report here. Thank you, Hans.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
None ofthe Above
#5 - 2012-10-09 15:58:42 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
What is the state of the CSM interaction with the Retribution revision of the Bounty System?

While being one of the people that thinks that it should be revised and that a good bounty system holds great promise for better gameplay, I also think that a bad/flawed bounty system could be a disaster. And as most people have noted, this is a hard type of thing to get right.

Is CCP keeping the details as close to the vest as it appears? I think this needs a lot eyes on it to spot any flaws early, not just a few weeks before the expansion as the code as already largely done.

Has the CSM been briefed about this system?

When are the players going to get to see a more detailed preview?

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2012-10-09 20:15:40 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
What is the state of the CSM interaction with the Retribution revision of the Bounty System?

While being one of the people that thinks that it should be revised and that a good bounty system holds great promise for better gameplay, I also think that a bad/flawed bounty system could be a disaster. And as most people have noted, this is a hard type of thing to get right.

Is CCP keeping the details as close to the vest as it appears? I think this needs a lot eyes on it to spot any flaws early, not just a few weeks before the expansion as the code as already largely done.

Has the CSM been briefed about this system?

When are the players going to get to see a more detailed preview?



There should be a dev blog out this week, from what I hear. Cool

Bounty Hunting is the main feature being worked on by the team we're involved with as part of our stakeholder pilot program, so we've definitely had a chance to see what they're working on. We'll talk more about this in detail once the dev blog is out and most of the feature set is on the table for public discussion.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Tech3ZH
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-10-09 22:27:25 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
All that clicking and reading is a lot more effort than not clicking and not reading and continuing to assert that you've done nothing to deserve your election.

Couldn't you just reply in detail to each individual who demands that you account for yourself?




Big smile IKR
None ofthe Above
#8 - 2012-10-09 23:54:31 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
None ofthe Above wrote:
What is the state of the CSM interaction with the Retribution revision of the Bounty System?

While being one of the people that thinks that it should be revised and that a good bounty system holds great promise for better gameplay, I also think that a bad/flawed bounty system could be a disaster. And as most people have noted, this is a hard type of thing to get right.

Is CCP keeping the details as close to the vest as it appears? I think this needs a lot eyes on it to spot any flaws early, not just a few weeks before the expansion as the code as already largely done.

Has the CSM been briefed about this system?

When are the players going to get to see a more detailed preview?



There should be a dev blog out this week, from what I hear. Cool

Bounty Hunting is the main feature being worked on by the team we're involved with as part of our stakeholder pilot program, so we've definitely had a chance to see what they're working on. We'll talk more about this in detail once the dev blog is out and most of the feature set is on the table for public discussion.


Excellent, thank you.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#9 - 2012-10-10 02:27:08 UTC
Has CCP announced a massive easy tag initiative yet?

They have already given away easy isk and easy LP, I wanted to say the bounty system would give out plenty of ISK, but that has been done already. I don't think faction tags have been easily circulated yet in an expansion. Is CCP thinking about doing faction tags with bounty system or will we have to wait a few more expansions till easy tags get implemented?

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#10 - 2012-10-10 06:25:37 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Has CCP announced a massive easy tag initiative yet?

They have already given away easy isk and easy LP, I wanted to say the bounty system would give out plenty of ISK, but that has been done already. I don't think faction tags have been easily circulated yet in an expansion. Is CCP thinking about doing faction tags with bounty system or will we have to wait a few more expansions till easy tags get implemented?


How would a player bounty system give out "easy ISK"?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#11 - 2012-10-10 06:57:38 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Has CCP announced a massive easy tag initiative yet?

They have already given away easy isk and easy LP, I wanted to say the bounty system would give out plenty of ISK, but that has been done already. I don't think faction tags have been easily circulated yet in an expansion. Is CCP thinking about doing faction tags with bounty system or will we have to wait a few more expansions till easy tags get implemented?


How would a player bounty system give out "easy ISK"?

Truthfully, I can think of ways...Twisted

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#12 - 2012-10-10 07:31:24 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Has CCP announced a massive easy tag initiative yet?

They have already given away easy isk and easy LP, I wanted to say the bounty system would give out plenty of ISK, but that has been done already. I don't think faction tags have been easily circulated yet in an expansion. Is CCP thinking about doing faction tags with bounty system or will we have to wait a few more expansions till easy tags get implemented?


How would a player bounty system give out "easy ISK"?


Uh,

Step one: Come up with idea for bounty system.

Step Two: Get CCP to design and implement it.

Step Three: Easy ISK, or hopefully easy faction tags.

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Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#13 - 2012-10-10 14:23:00 UTC
rodyas wrote:

Uh,

Step one: Come up with idea for bounty system.

Step Two: Get CCP to design and implement it.

Step Three: Easy ISK, or hopefully easy faction tags.


You still lose me somewhere between step two and step three..... What?

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#14 - 2012-10-11 04:18:27 UTC
Alright initial idea for easy isk or perhaps more beloved inflation.

First we shall start with CCP's beloved idea of isk velocity. (Hopefully I said that correctly.)

Most of the players that will be hit by the pirates and will want to set up bounties will be the (forgot correct term) but players that mine and sell it and don't care at what low price, saying it is just free resources and they enjoyed the experience.

Most likely these retards are the candidates for ganks and can flipping, and getting scammed.

But the catch is bounties cost money, perhaps more then just mining and selling it for low prices can afford. So all these retards now will have to figure out what activities will generate the most ISK for their time. This will drive up prices for almost everything and cause massive inflation.

All those retards getting ganked, then having to be smart or work hard to set up bounties will just make pirates rich, as well as force most items to stay at high prices, so they can continue to afford bounties on players that are dicks.

So you can see that in a way no ISK is directly made from the bounty system. (but in a way more ISK from people not allowed to be retards) but the Isk velocity goes up towards a certain activity and makes all the other activities harder to do. AKA inflation.

Perhaps with more inspiration more ideas will come.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#15 - 2012-10-11 04:21:07 UTC
As you can see how subtle ISK velocity is, I pretty much gave up hope on anything working well, but was sad at abuse becoming repetitive and boring. I understand CCP, that we will get abused no matter what, I just don't want it to be boring really.

That is why I said they should focus on faction tags, because they are hip hop, wow and happening now. By them focusing on faction tags, the abuse won't be boring, but a fun interesting proactive way to deliver abuse.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#16 - 2012-10-11 06:56:39 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
All that clicking and reading is a lot more effort than not clicking and not reading and continuing to assert that you've done nothing to deserve your election.

Couldn't you just reply in detail to each individual who demands that you account for yourself?



Hans, I believe the following link underlines my point: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161994&find=unread

Now get to it!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#17 - 2012-10-11 06:58:22 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Has CCP announced a massive easy tag initiative yet?

They have already given away easy isk and easy LP, I wanted to say the bounty system would give out plenty of ISK, but that has been done already. I don't think faction tags have been easily circulated yet in an expansion. Is CCP thinking about doing faction tags with bounty system or will we have to wait a few more expansions till easy tags get implemented?


How would a player bounty system give out "easy ISK"?


Uh,

Step one: Come up with idea for bounty system.

Step Two: Get CCP to design and implement it.

Step Three: Easy ISK, or hopefully easy faction tags.


What?

Are you under the impression that the bounty system will generate new ISK? Wait... are you thinking that we're talking about NPC bounties here?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#18 - 2012-10-11 08:17:27 UTC
Not new ISK, more like how rich get richer and poor get poorer.

Apple the company doesn't make money, but they have more money then most people.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#19 - 2012-10-11 13:43:11 UTC
Uh, what? Poor players don't place bounties, the rich don't need to chase after them. Seriously what the hell are you talking about?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#20 - 2012-10-12 00:35:20 UTC
What do poor people do then? Like activity wise, when they log on.

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