Ships & Modules

Afternoon S&M.

I'm in need of a(nother) new mission ship. I started off with a CNR and as my skills went up so I went more gank than tank, took it to the point where about the only thing I could do was swap a DCU out for a Signal Amplifier.

From there I grabbed a Nightmare since I was mostly in Sansha/Blood Raider territory and about all that's left there is to bite the bullet and grab some HG Crystals and ditch the SBA for another TC and drop one of the 2 TEs for a 4th Heat Sink.

So as of right now I have my Sansha/Blood ship and my general purpose ship but I want to add to that. Golem would allow for face raping Angels using 3 TPs and no speed mod or possibly both if I grab the HG Crystals first.

Tengu would be for high small things missions with what is likely a pretty cookie cutter small SB HM setup. Both are about the same time away training wise. Cruiser V, Strat cruiser bits + T2 HM for the Tengu, AWU V, Marauders + T2 torps for the Golem.


I'm quite happy to pimp things up a bit so what are the comments/suggested fits?

If you are only going to get one ship, and you run the occasional Gurista mission, get a Tengu. Build it with the Dissolution Sequencer subsystem and stick a pair of gravimetric ECCMs on it and you'll be well over 100 sensor strength. I ran The Assault two days ago without being jammed, which is always nice.

Vargur is better than the Golem against Angels. The Golem tends to lose a lot of time due to juggling TPs, reloading often, limited range, volley counting, and wasted overkill.

For example, AE4:
5 TP Golem: 34m 30s. (29:50 mission time + 4:40 travel time)
Vargur: 28m 29s. (24:45 mission time + 3:44 travel time)
Tengu: 37m:00s. (33:45 mission time + 3:15 travel time)

If you're *not* cherry picking missions and are killing everything then I would recommend Mach/Vargur followed by Golem and then Tengu. If you are cherry picking missions and are blitzing then Mach or Vargur or Tengu, and forget the Golem entirely.

The Golem pretty much requires Missile Bombardment V and Missile Projection to V in order to get your T1 torps to reliably hit at 40km and to hit targets at 60km with Javelins. It's another chunk of training time to factor in.

Here's the fit I used for my Golem, it won't do the AE bonus, but will work for everything else.

[Golem, Level 4]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Explosion Dampening Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager II
Salvager II

Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II


2x Bay Thruster rigs provide almost nearly the same range (1km difference or so) of a pair of Fuel + Thruster rigs. This has the advantage of keeping the torp flight time down to 9 seconds which helps with volley counting and TPcycles.

Being nearly cap stable with the shield booster is one less distraction while you're juggling TPs, locking wrecks, counting volleys, and tractoring/salvaging/looting.

Implants - I recommend the following:
ZMT2000 +5% damage
ZML1000 +5% missile velocity
ZMS1000 +5% missile explosion velocity
ZMM1000 or Whelan Machorin's Ballistic Smartlink - 5% missile RoF

If you want ship with killspeed comparable to nightmare, train for machariel. Tengu can blitz some missions faster, golem will have decent overall performance in short range missions, but neither are as good as nightmare or mach. You dont need t2 guns for mach and it will be still faster in most missions btw. Add vargur for missions, where you need to loot tags, add some superfast ship to blitz recon and mission with quafe in can, maybe tengu for wc... and you are ok.

Ps : Both golem and tengu are extremely annoying to fly, because you have to count volleys and/or use target painters.

This is such a tired argument. I admit, I didn't even read a single post. The bottom line is they're about equal on average, for some missions one is better than the other, and the Tengu is much easier to train for. Thats about it.

IME, not really. Normally I get to the next gate by the time everything is dead. Obviously, there are missions where you don't need the tank or where you have to to travel awhile to the next gate and an AB would be a luxury or necessity.


If you want to explode face with excitement and minimal tank, use a 5 TP Golem: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/42705-Golem-Angel-Screams.html

that 5x tp golem is woot.

Wow Do these completion times include the bonus room?
I'm relatively new to LV4 missions and it takes me more than 1 hour just to finish the first 5 rooms

I think the times are without bonus, 24 mins is about the same time i had with my vargur. With mwd mach and faction ammo i managed complete it in 18 mins, with nightmare it was between 30-33 mins and with tengu 35+.

When i tried it in 3 faction tp golem - with max skilled and implanted char except torp spec 5, with hg crystals (i even loged in my alt to provide 5 link boosting tengu with 1 inf warfare link) - and completion time was worse than tach nightmare... i just sold the golem.