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EVE: Retribution - smallest expansion yet?

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Qaidan Alenko
Eezo-Lution Inc.
#121 - 2012-10-08 18:42:22 UTC
I want HATS!!! When do we get hats? P
Go ahead... Get your Wham on!!!
Sven Hammerstorm
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2012-10-08 19:20:16 UTC
Pretty hard to beat Incarna, that expansion had absolutely nothing :D
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#123 - 2012-10-08 19:27:07 UTC
Small changes, but positive changes. No complaints, although I hope to see another expansion like Apocrypha sooner rather than later...
Josef Djugashvilis
#124 - 2012-10-08 19:43:13 UTC
Inari Visas wrote:
There is still the dx11 graphical upgrade in the future, isn't it? It's hard as it is to keep bringing significant additions to an old game, and with Dust514 on the horizon, some low time is a given for EVE. I'm still new to EVE, so my view is different, but there are some cool additions to be made I'd say (not just with Retribution).


Is the DX 11 upgrade still on the cards?

Please forgive the pun.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#125 - 2012-10-08 19:46:19 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
It is an expansion, just a small one, like almost all EVE expansions. But what do you expect on a 6-monthly expansion cycle? Would you rather wait for 2 or 3 years for new stuff so that you can :awesome: over a 4-page changelog? What would the point of that be?



I wouldn't mind a 1yr development cycle.


Perhaps this, for say three years, with more emphasis on 'fixing' what we already have.

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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#126 - 2012-10-08 19:52:18 UTC
rodyas wrote:
...that was gonna be their last dev blog till expansion release...


Would you like to bet on that? Big smile

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#127 - 2012-10-08 20:00:51 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Lets add mega re-hull to the list




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Mega was already such a fantastic hull design you're just making me jeez my pants right now !!

Ho dear I love you, I love you, I love you and I love you !! This new design is just absolutely EVETASTIC !

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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#128 - 2012-10-08 20:03:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
CCP Phantom wrote:
rodyas wrote:
...that was gonna be their last dev blog till expansion release...


Would you like to bet on that? Big smile


*Checks facebook for devblog announcement*
You disappoint me, Mr. Anderson.
Your timing is off.

edit: Hey, a EvE store firesale
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#129 - 2012-10-08 20:11:37 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
CCP Phantom wrote:
rodyas wrote:
...that was gonna be their last dev blog till expansion release...


Would you like to bet on that? Big smile

Given that Kat has been advertising their upcoming for a week or so.

No.

And that Unifex normally has the final say, so at least two more.

But it's still time for more.

And they haven't even been starting rambling about season gifts yet, that's another 3, at least (possibly with 2 more for corrections).

Edit: Typo corrected, CCP Phantom

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#130 - 2012-10-08 20:42:03 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
The upcoming Retribution expansion seems pretty light on features. I mean I do understand the need to fix the difficult to understand aggression systems, and to make bounty hunting a viable profession. The updated AI should be nice.

But apart from a couple new ships. Is this really it? Or is there another announcement forthcoming?

I recall it being mentioned at fanfest that we would be getting avatar tattoos this year, but that seems to have been conveniently hushed up.

It seems the days of expansions like Apocrypha and Trinity are long behind us, never to return. Which is a shame. Expansions in EVE have become far less exciting than they used to be. And they certainly don't have the wow factor that expansions like Apocrapha did.

I miss the days when expansions brought a renewed sense of wonder to EVE.


Are you serious???

Major Frig rebalance (essentially doubling the number of viable t1 frigs to fly)
dessie rebalance
Major Cruiser rebalance (essentially doubling the number of viable t1 cruisers to fly)
new dessies (doubling the number of viable dessies to fly)
Major Changes to NPC AI (which is very much needed)
Big Changes to FW
Completely new Crimewatch System with HUGE changes to aggression mechanics
New Bounty System

and the release of Dust too....

plus more info to come....

so, what exactly qualifies as a "big expansion"? I'm very pleased with this expansion!!!
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#131 - 2012-10-08 21:07:04 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Because avatar arm tattoos are so much more fun than All the rest of the frigs being rebalanced, miner frig to replace those 4 awful empire mining frigs, all destroyers reballanced, new destroyers, all cruisers reballanced, Sansha and Concord V3, New bounty hunting updates, DUST connection, Crimewatch v2, missile/ASB changes. NPC AI,


Go to the retribution website .. there are three items there. I don't know where you got the rest from.

Those three items are
Crimewatch V2
Bounty Hunting
A new frig and four new destroyers.

And no. I do not count balancing as new content or even expansion worthy material. It's simply an ongoing activity that needs to be done for a healthy game. I know of no other game that does some re-balancing and calls it an expansion.

Expansions are meant to be just that .. expansions .. as in expanding the game experience. Anything else is just a patch.


That website is so light on details it ridiculous

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Shokre O'Corwi
The Squid Squad
#132 - 2012-10-08 21:11:26 UTC
I'd rather have a small expansion that fixes existing things then an expansion that adds unfinished things (hint: Univ. Inv.).
Jacabon Mere
Capital Storm.
#133 - 2012-10-08 22:39:17 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
The upcoming Retribution expansion seems pretty light on features. I mean I do understand the need to fix the difficult to understand aggression systems, and to make bounty hunting a viable profession. The updated AI should be nice.

But apart from a couple new ships. Is this really it? Or is there another announcement forthcoming?

I recall it being mentioned at fanfest that we would be getting avatar tattoos this year, but that seems to have been conveniently hushed up.

It seems the days of expansions like Apocrypha and Trinity are long behind us, never to return. Which is a shame. Expansions in EVE have become far less exciting than they used to be. And they certainly don't have the wow factor that expansions like Apocrapha did.

I miss the days when expansions brought a renewed sense of wonder to EVE.


Are you serious???

Major Frig rebalance (essentially doubling the number of viable t1 frigs to fly)
dessie rebalance
Major Cruiser rebalance (essentially doubling the number of viable t1 cruisers to fly)
new dessies (doubling the number of viable dessies to fly)
Major Changes to NPC AI (which is very much needed)
Big Changes to FW
Completely new Crimewatch System with HUGE changes to aggression mechanics
New Bounty System

and the release of Dust too....

plus more info to come....

so, what exactly qualifies as a "big expansion"? I'm very pleased with this expansion!!!


3 out of 8 of your features has been the work of 2 devs. Imagine if they had all the devs working on dust working on eve instead. That is what would be a big expansion.

The complaint about lack of new eve content comes from the fact that eve currently isn't ccp's focus. Ccp employs enough staff to fix old stuff and add new content at the same time, the problem is that they are choosing to invest their money in a somewhat risky project rather than in the old faithful less risk one.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#134 - 2012-10-09 00:50:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
It is an expansion, just a small one, like almost all EVE expansions. But what do you expect on a 6-monthly expansion cycle? Would you rather wait for 2 or 3 years for new stuff so that you can :awesome: over a 4-page changelog? What would the point of that be?



I wouldn't mind a 1yr development cycle.


I could as well, but people tend to start getting bored after a few months... and bugs get addressed much quicker this way.


With a 1yr development cycle bugs could be addressed quicker, not only because things are in development longer so they can be easier to find and fix prior to release, but also because they don't release an expansion then rush into the next one. You would still release bug fix patches during cycles. Your first point is correct though.


Actually quite the opposite.

Larger and more complex releases make it far more difficult to track down the root cause of any bugs that creep into the release. Smaller, more frequent expansions are what is making it possible for problems to be address so quickly over the last year or so.

If you are still unconvinced, feel free to look up any dev blogs that deal with their more frequent release schedule. Note that the upcoming expansion is a bit of a break from the pattern they have established recently as it will also include the DUST interaction and is scheduled to take a bit longer.

You might also keep in mind that the smaller, more frequent release schedule have been generally VERY well received by the player base.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#135 - 2012-10-09 00:54:07 UTC
Jacabon Mere wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
The upcoming Retribution expansion seems pretty light on features. I mean I do understand the need to fix the difficult to understand aggression systems, and to make bounty hunting a viable profession. The updated AI should be nice.

But apart from a couple new ships. Is this really it? Or is there another announcement forthcoming?

I recall it being mentioned at fanfest that we would be getting avatar tattoos this year, but that seems to have been conveniently hushed up.

It seems the days of expansions like Apocrypha and Trinity are long behind us, never to return. Which is a shame. Expansions in EVE have become far less exciting than they used to be. And they certainly don't have the wow factor that expansions like Apocrapha did.

I miss the days when expansions brought a renewed sense of wonder to EVE.


Are you serious???

Major Frig rebalance (essentially doubling the number of viable t1 frigs to fly)
dessie rebalance
Major Cruiser rebalance (essentially doubling the number of viable t1 cruisers to fly)
new dessies (doubling the number of viable dessies to fly)
Major Changes to NPC AI (which is very much needed)
Big Changes to FW
Completely new Crimewatch System with HUGE changes to aggression mechanics
New Bounty System

and the release of Dust too....

plus more info to come....

so, what exactly qualifies as a "big expansion"? I'm very pleased with this expansion!!!


3 out of 8 of your features has been the work of 2 devs. Imagine if they had all the devs working on dust working on eve instead. That is what would be a big expansion.

The complaint about lack of new eve content comes from the fact that eve currently isn't ccp's focus. Ccp employs enough staff to fix old stuff and add new content at the same time, the problem is that they are choosing to invest their money in a somewhat risky project rather than in the old faithful less risk one.


Yes, exercising good business sense and simultaneously making gaming history AGAIN... they should be ASHAMED of themselves. Roll

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Flamespar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#136 - 2012-10-09 02:12:22 UTC
Harvey James wrote:

That website is so light on details it ridiculous


Very ridiculous. They should replace it with these two words

"Stuff(tm)" and "Soon(tm)
Jacabon Mere
Capital Storm.
#137 - 2012-10-09 03:08:44 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Jacabon Mere wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
The upcoming Retribution expansion seems pretty light on features. I mean I do understand the need to fix the difficult to understand aggression systems, and to make bounty hunting a viable profession. The updated AI should be nice.

But apart from a couple new ships. Is this really it? Or is there another announcement forthcoming?

I recall it being mentioned at fanfest that we would be getting avatar tattoos this year, but that seems to have been conveniently hushed up.

It seems the days of expansions like Apocrypha and Trinity are long behind us, never to return. Which is a shame. Expansions in EVE have become far less exciting than they used to be. And they certainly don't have the wow factor that expansions like Apocrapha did.

I miss the days when expansions brought a renewed sense of wonder to EVE.


Are you serious???

Major Frig rebalance (essentially doubling the number of viable t1 frigs to fly)
dessie rebalance
Major Cruiser rebalance (essentially doubling the number of viable t1 cruisers to fly)
new dessies (doubling the number of viable dessies to fly)
Major Changes to NPC AI (which is very much needed)
Big Changes to FW
Completely new Crimewatch System with HUGE changes to aggression mechanics
New Bounty System

and the release of Dust too....

plus more info to come....

so, what exactly qualifies as a "big expansion"? I'm very pleased with this expansion!!!


3 out of 8 of your features has been the work of 2 devs. Imagine if they had all the devs working on dust working on eve instead. That is what would be a big expansion.

The complaint about lack of new eve content comes from the fact that eve currently isn't ccp's focus. Ccp employs enough staff to fix old stuff and add new content at the same time, the problem is that they are choosing to invest their money in a somewhat risky project rather than in the old faithful less risk one.


Yes, exercising good business sense and simultaneously making gaming history AGAIN... they should be ASHAMED of themselves. Roll


Whether its good or bad business is yet to be determined. What we do know is that eve development is the compromise and I'm pretty sure that is what this thread is about.

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Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#138 - 2012-10-09 05:00:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Soon Shin
People have a right to complain if they feel that they are not getting their moneys worth.

While I like the game, I did hate how the last few years of the game have been.

CCP left the game in a backburner while working on WoD and Dust.

The fact they had the audacity to say: "We should be good customers by allowing ourselves screwed in the ass for 18 months."

Waiting a year and a half while CCP to put majority of their money and effort on other games.

While its good to work on new games, it should never be at the expense of the consumers experience in enjoying the game.

We waited years for Incarna and we got what? A single room that is 4 times more hardware intensive than the actual game itself, some ******** microtransaction items(which CCP once swore it would never do).

Call me crazy,but you think this died with Incarna?

Think again, you should be aware of the re-sculpting for PLEX. The abomination of the NEX and Aurum still exists (CCP should have removed it). The dangerous method of running is still with CCP, waiting to arise again when people have their Guard down.

TL:DR; We the consumers and players must remain vigilant. We must be swift and just in rejecting things that have the potential to destroy the game.

P.S. DUST will go the way of console shooters, players will come in with oo and ah. But after a few month they will leave to go player other console FPS on the market aka Black Ops 2.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#139 - 2012-10-09 05:08:27 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
rodyas wrote:
...that was gonna be their last dev blog till expansion release...


Would you like to bet on that? Big smile


I will as long as you promise a good bounty system. In case I lose the bet, I can always place a bounty on you for it.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#140 - 2012-10-09 07:53:43 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
It is an expansion, just a small one, like almost all EVE expansions. But what do you expect on a 6-monthly expansion cycle? Would you rather wait for 2 or 3 years for new stuff so that you can :awesome: over a 4-page changelog? What would the point of that be?



I wouldn't mind a 1yr development cycle.


Perhaps this, for say three years, with more emphasis on 'fixing' what we already have.


Uh, there's already a huge emphasis on "fixing what we already have". Tiercide: fixing what we already have. Bounty hunting: fixing what we already have. And so on.

I suppose one might argue that the things being fixed were so badly broken that they're effectively a "new shiney" because they were unusable before, but come on now.

If anything, I'd say that CCP have fixed so many long standing issues that they could justifiably tilt the balance back a little towards genuinely new stuff. I don't mean go back to the bad old days of "throw stuff at the wall to see what sticks", but a commitment to introduce at least one significant genuinely new gameplay feature per year. Basically alternate a "new feature" expansion cycle with a "fix and rebalance" expansion cycle.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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