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optimal range vs accuracy falloff
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kiarima Yar'Kemma
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-07-18 04:15:17 UTC
OK So i see 2 different weapons.
One has a optimal range of 4800. and a accuracy fall off of 6000m ..
Another with a optimal range of 43km and a accuracy fall off of 20km.

Does this mean that the accuracy fall off is plus or minus that of the optimal range?
Dersk
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-07-18 04:39:43 UTC
Falloff takes effect after the optimal range ends. So 43km optimal and 20km fallout does 100% damage (barring tracking and size issues) in the first 43km, then drops down to about half damage at 63km (43+20). tracking and falloff calculators exist for a more detailed description of what happens in falloff.
kiarima Yar'Kemma
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-07-18 04:41:34 UTC
Dersk wrote:
Falloff takes effect after the optimal range ends. So 43km optimal and 20km fallout does 100% damage (barring tracking and size issues) in the first 43km, then drops down to about half damage at 63km (43+20). tracking and falloff calculators exist for a more detailed description of what happens in falloff.



So if they are 5km away .. my hit chance wont be 0?
Dersk
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-07-18 04:46:46 UTC
At 5km, you aren't losing damage because of optimal or falloff. You might not be able to hit because of tracking. If the target is sitting still at 5km you'll have a 100% chance to hit if if optimal is above 5km.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#5 - 2012-07-18 04:47:49 UTC
kiarima Yar'Kemma wrote:
Dersk wrote:
Falloff takes effect after the optimal range ends. So 43km optimal and 20km fallout does 100% damage (barring tracking and size issues) in the first 43km, then drops down to about half damage at 63km (43+20). tracking and falloff calculators exist for a more detailed description of what happens in falloff.



So if they are 5km away .. my hit chance wont be 0?

Correct, though if they are moving, your chance of hit drops fast (due to tracking issues).
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#6 - 2012-07-18 06:58:36 UTC
250mm Railgun II

Rate of Fire -- 6 sec
Damage Modifier -- 3.3x
Optimal Range -- 28.80 km
Accuracy Falloff -- 12 km
Tracking Speed / Accuracy -- 0.023 radius / second.

So without any modifiers for skills, ammo, etc, you would hit for full damage up to 28.80 km range, and about 50% of that at 40 km range. If the target is moving faster around your ships 'radius' than .023 / sec, you will start to hit less.


Simplified but hope it helps

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AIRBORNE THEFINEST
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-09-29 15:29:23 UTC
Its pretty simple.

Weapon optimal range 28 Km

Accuracy falloff 12km


it just means that after 12km your bullet start dropping accuracy, cant be easier than this.

so is you want a 100% weapon damage you wanna have

Weapon optimal range lets say 30 Km


Accuracy falloff 30Km and more
Ctzn Snips
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-09-29 18:16:56 UTC
AIRBORNE THEFINEST wrote:
Its pretty simple.

Weapon optimal range 28 Km

Accuracy falloff 12km


it just means that after 12km your bullet start dropping accuracy, cant be easier than this.

so is you want a 100% weapon damage you wanna have

Weapon optimal range lets say 30 Km


Accuracy falloff 30Km and more


This guy couldn't be any more wrong.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-09-29 19:35:16 UTC
AIRBORNE THEFINEST wrote:
Its pretty simple.

Weapon optimal range 28 Km

Accuracy falloff 12km


it just means that after 12km your bullet start dropping accuracy, cant be easier than this.

so is you want a 100% weapon damage you wanna have

Weapon optimal range lets say 30 Km


Accuracy falloff 30Km and more

please ignore this troll


within optimal = super awesome hits unless you cannot track the target
takes your optimal then add your falloff = hits, but not as good

if your optimal is 10km and falloff 5km you will do your most damage 1-10km away, but something that is 11-15km away will still get hit.
Ctzn Snips
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-09-29 19:38:48 UTC
Zyella Stormborn wrote:
250mm Railgun II

Rate of Fire -- 6 sec
Damage Modifier -- 3.3x
Optimal Range -- 28.80 km
Accuracy Falloff -- 12 km
Tracking Speed / Accuracy -- 0.023 radius / second.

So without any modifiers for skills, ammo, etc, you would hit for full damage up to 28.80 km range, and about 50% of that at 40 km range. If the target is moving faster around your ships 'radius' than .023 / sec, you will start to hit less.


Simplified but hope it helps



To expand on this, at Optimal+1x Fallout (In this case 40.80k) you will do 50% damage. At Optimal+2x Fallout, you have a 0% chance to hit.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
Cyrek Ohaya
Blazing Sun Group
#11 - 2012-10-07 16:17:16 UTC
Ctzn Snips wrote:


To expand on this, at Optimal+1x Fallout (In this case 40.80k) you will do 50% damage. At Optimal+2x Fallout, you have a 0% chance to hit.

Correct me if I'm wrong.


At Optimal+1x Fallout accuracy can be 50% plus a degree of less damage. At Optimal+2x Fallout, you'd have like a base of 2% to hit, but yeah 0% is more literally accurate.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-10-07 17:13:25 UTC
Ctzn Snips wrote:
Zyella Stormborn wrote:
250mm Railgun II

Rate of Fire -- 6 sec
Damage Modifier -- 3.3x
Optimal Range -- 28.80 km
Accuracy Falloff -- 12 km
Tracking Speed / Accuracy -- 0.023 radius / second.

So without any modifiers for skills, ammo, etc, you would hit for full damage up to 28.80 km range, and about 50% of that at 40 km range. If the target is moving faster around your ships 'radius' than .023 / sec, you will start to hit less.


Simplified but hope it helps



To expand on this, at Optimal+1x Fallout (In this case 40.80k) you will do 50% damage. At Optimal+2x Fallout, you have a 0% chance to hit.

Correct me if I'm wrong.


Technically you won't do 50% damage, but you have 50% chance to hit. Although the chance to score good hits is lowered too.
Rengerel en Distel
#13 - 2012-10-07 17:45:03 UTC
http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/0910/eve-tracking101.swf

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Doddy
Excidium.
#14 - 2012-10-08 16:36:31 UTC
Ctzn Snips wrote:
Zyella Stormborn wrote:
250mm Railgun II

Rate of Fire -- 6 sec
Damage Modifier -- 3.3x
Optimal Range -- 28.80 km
Accuracy Falloff -- 12 km
Tracking Speed / Accuracy -- 0.023 radius / second.

So without any modifiers for skills, ammo, etc, you would hit for full damage up to 28.80 km range, and about 50% of that at 40 km range. If the target is moving faster around your ships 'radius' than .023 / sec, you will start to hit less.


Simplified but hope it helps



To expand on this, at Optimal+1x Fallout (In this case 40.80k) you will do 50% damage. At Optimal+2x Fallout, you have a 0% chance to hit.

Correct me if I'm wrong.


Not quite right thanks to criticals etc but close enough.