EVE General Discussion

Why in the world would people quit for a month over the possibility of being killed?




So you're saying you want to be able to attack people without any risk or consequence. And you're implying that the gankers are cowardly?

Name for me a game mechanic that currently allows you to legally shoot someone without them knowing that you are legally allowed to do so?

The idea is that you'll be able to put a bounty on anyone you like. But merely putting a bounty on someone won't mean that you can freely attack them; they still have to have -5 sec status, a GCC, a wardec, or an active killright which you have acquired for you to attack them without CONCORD interference.

Still waiting for whatsisname on the last page to explain how this "fooks over" hi-sec industrialists.

So you're claiming that ships tanks should be balanced based on their cost without regards to fitting? You could not profitably gank a tanked Hulk pre-buff.



So what significant risk do Miner's face?



So what significant risk does the blind transferrable killright hunter face? The Suicide Ganker buys his element of surprise with his ship and the surprise can be foiled if the miner bothers to press a button. The killright hunter gets it for free and has it mechanically enforced.

But bounties on Mackinaws could make them profitable to gank again.

Just saying.

Fair enough. Maybe if I rephrase it to "mitigate sufficient costs as to allow individuals to profit from exhumer ganks."

Which is admittedly different.

Sure. But why would anyone piss away the ISK required for that?

Like I've said several times. Gankers are not randomly vindictive or irrational and aren't interested in pissing money away for no reason. Alliances are the same way. Now that Tech's been nerfed, who has the motive to put a bounty on Exhumers?

More importantly, for that to matter would imply that the possibility of Players paying other Players to attack a certain ship should influence game mechanics. In which case, I call bounty on Vagabonds, where's my Vaga buff?

No, that's the cause and effect line for Exhumers.

Bounty on Exhumers (which tank better than a standard Vaga anyway) -> Whining -> Exhumer Buff.

IIRC, GSF made out like bandits on several aspects of the Ice Interdiction. The halving of tech prices will surely only increase their incentive to shake the hi-sec money tree?

The miner can stay relatively safe by not getting to close to the roids, being ready to align and spamming d-scan every 5 seconds with a short range scan setting (e.g. 500.000km-5million km) aligning and warping out if he sees a number of commonly used ganking ships pop up on scan. Of course to do this you have to be pretty much on the ball 100% of the time, its not like you have to bother to remember to press that button once every hour or something... a lot of work for not that much of a reward, and they might warp out just because a fleet passes by the radius of the scan.

This is kind of mitigated by the barge EHP buff I guess, meaning that suicide ganking barges has become something that is less about profitability and more about griefing in the context of ganking mining barges. I think that transferable killrights in this sense could drive more emergent gameplay out of such events, for example disgruntled ganker being RETRIBUTIONED in his own blingy ship after ganking a miner as a result of some personal fallout...

I mean can't you imagine the story of a freighter pilot being ganked and getting very angry, transferring each of the killrights to some other vicious gankers and paying them extra with bounties to exact economical harm on his new enemies? Sounds like the plot of a movie. The more you increase the ability of players to drive each other mad the better the game becomes.

Or grab a friend, fit 3 webs and mine aligned at ~7m/s and only have to pay attention to your overview and fleetwarp. More importantly, that semi-surprise costs the ganker their ship.



If you want retribution, why can't you do it yourself? Why do you need someone else, with a game mechanically enforced element of consequence free surprise to do it?



Except that's not going to happen. Buying a killright comes with no disadvantages whatsoever, so imagining that you would have to pay someone to purchase it is ludicrous.