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Bounty Hunting - Becomes Griefing players out of game! WTF!

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-10-08 13:46:34 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
People post with alts for many reasons. Some corps have a code of conduct that restricts them from posting on the forums as they represent that corp.


Which ones?

HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Others just want to be able to speak thier mind and not have to deal with the numerous asshats that troll these forums. Others use it as a form of meta gaming.


That implies that people take NPC posting alts seriously. And no, it's not used as a form of "metagaming," NPC corp posting alts are just used for sockpuppetry.

HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Just because you may not have the ability to see or think outside your own small box doesnt mean that all these people are cowards.


Yes it does.

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#62 - 2012-10-08 13:47:29 UTC
I kind of like that you guys are speculating about the feature my team is working on, it shows that you care :3

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Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#63 - 2012-10-08 13:47:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Inquisitor Kitchner
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Also, all the people getting ready to jump on the alt bandwagon for forum posting just to avoid bounties make me sad for the state of gaming as a whole. I don't understand how someone can insist on playing a shooting game while having less balls than an underbudgeted inner-city school gymnasium. With all the people I **** off, I'll probably hit ten figures in a month. And guess what? I'll wear that **** as a badge of honor. I've never even considered using alts to post on forums, unlike these tiny cowards who are scurrying in panic like ants under a microscope. Way to play a videogame.



I used to play a Discworld MUD RPG text based game. In that game you could go "Playerkiller" which means other Playerkillers (PKs) could attack you whenever. I was a thief, so I could steal other PK's stuff, but I was far too lazy to actually grind the hours and hours and hours worth of XP needed to be a good fighter (FYI the game had no skill caps, so you'd literally be able to become level 1000000 in a skill with enough effort meaning no-one new could stand stand a chance).

I posted a lot of stuff and it wasn't shiptoasting, it just was conflicting with what a load of asshats thought. These asshats kept hiring assassins to kill me. How the system worked is you started with 7 "lives", a PK kill DIDN'T take a life, but an assassination did. You could buy more lives at an increasing cost.

I think by the time I stopped playing the game which, somehow, was even worse than EVE Online: A Terrible Game I think I had been assassinated something like 30 times. Each of my lives cost $1300 to rebuy at the end (not pocket change) but each contract cost them $2800. I was wasting THEIR money.

I was proud of the fact that my words alone caused so many people to dislike me so much. Especially since the ones doing so 99% of the time did it anonymously THEY didn't have the balls to even sign their name on the card that was left with your corpse. Be proud of both attracting and placing bounties due to forum posts.


Also side note: The value of your ship will directly influence how worth it is to collect the bounty in High Sec without kill rights. Flying a 10 mil ship that pays out a 10% bounty wouldn't be worth it. Flying a 800mil ship that pays out 80 mil might be. Assuming the system works that way.

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Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#64 - 2012-10-08 13:48:13 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
I kind of like that you guys are speculating about the feature my team is working on, it shows that you care :3


It's because we're all Boba Fett wannabes.

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HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#65 - 2012-10-08 13:49:06 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
People post with alts for many reasons. Some corps have a code of conduct that restricts them from posting on the forums as they represent that corp.


What sort of ****** corp wouldn't let you post on the forums?


I would imagine ones that dont want to have to suffer wardecs and such for the views or actions of one of it members on the forums.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#66 - 2012-10-08 13:51:39 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
I would imagine ones that dont want to have to suffer wardecs and such for the views or actions of one of it members on the forums.


What kind of weaksauce corp are you in that can't handle a wardec?

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Nikodiemus
Ganja Clade
Shadow Cartel
#67 - 2012-10-08 13:54:10 UTC
I predict that this like most other changes CCP has tried in recent introductions will fail horribly but only after being manipulated to the breaking point by people smarter than CCP's employees.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#68 - 2012-10-08 13:54:32 UTC
Because I'm incredibly lazy I didn't actually bother reading this thread or the linked articles, blogs, or whatever else

I'm just going to assume that having a bounty doesn't magically make concord disappear though, so don't worry

and with failwatch and subsequent things being designed to satiate those who lust for a hello kitty online style eve, I doubt the new bounty system will mean anything, other than you not being able to game it with such an obviously stupid and easy thing as a friend or alt shooting you
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#69 - 2012-10-08 13:57:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Relax, the bounty system won't make people who have bounties free for all to everyone else. That will be reserved for, uh, people who steal bookmarks out of bait cans and targeting mining vessels without their pilots' permission (coming in 2014).

Also, all the people getting ready to jump on the alt bandwagon for forum posting just to avoid bounties make me sad for the state of gaming as a whole. I don't understand how someone can insist on playing a shooting game while having less balls than an underbudgeted inner-city school gymnasium. With all the people I **** off, I'll probably hit ten figures in a month. And guess what? I'll wear that **** as a badge of honor. I've never even considered using alts to post on forums, unlike these tiny cowards who are scurrying in panic like ants under a microscope. Way to play a videogame.



Real men/women play with thier real name and post thier address and phone number and credit card info. They dont hide behind a female avatar in a make believe game and pretend to be tuff.

People post with alts for many reasons. Some corps have a code of conduct that restricts them from posting on the forums as they represent that corp.

Others just want to be able to speak thier mind and not have to deal with the numerous asshats that troll these forums. Others use it as a form of meta gaming.

Just because you may not have the ability to see or think outside your own small box doesnt mean that all these people are cowards.

Once again thank you for removing any doubt.


People don't post their personal information because there is a difference between trying to avoid in game consequences and real life consequences. Your confusion on this point is an excellent example of why it isn't done.

If your alliance has a code against forum posts, and it is important to you to post, find a different alliance.

If you want to speak your mind, you should be prepared to defend that stance in game... perhaps by creating a low skilled PVP character that actually undocks occasionally.

NPC forum alts actually are a bit cowardly. They are an extra layer of anonymity created specifically to protect your imaginary characters from taking responsibility for what you say in a space ship video game. It is quite possibly the lamest tactic developed in any video game ever. Perhaps it's time to stop trading your dignity for imaginary space pixels.

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HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#70 - 2012-10-08 13:59:20 UTC
Andski wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
People post with alts for many reasons. Some corps have a code of conduct that restricts them from posting on the forums as they represent that corp.


Which ones?

HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Others just want to be able to speak thier mind and not have to deal with the numerous asshats that troll these forums. Others use it as a form of meta gaming.


That implies that people take NPC posting alts seriously. And no, it's not used as a form of "metagaming," NPC corp posting alts are just used for sockpuppetry.

HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Just because you may not have the ability to see or think outside your own small box doesnt mean that all these people are cowards.


Yes it does.



I am sure it wouldnt be any that the mighty goofwaffle federation would care or know about, but they are out there should you care to look.

People alt posting dont all belong to an NPC corps. I understand some of you are Professional trolls and take it personal when people tend to disagree with your limited thought process but there is more to things then just your way. People use alts to forum post to meta all the time and if you cant see or want to acknowledge that fact then keep on trolling.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-10-08 14:02:12 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
People use alts to forum post to meta all the time and if you cant see or want to acknowledge that fact then keep on trolling.


Sorry, lending support to your own threads in F&I with 10 of your own posting alts isn't 'metagaming'

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Arec Bardwin
#72 - 2012-10-08 14:03:24 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
I kind of like that you guys are speculating about the feature my team is working on, it shows that you care :3
Smugness is not a good quality, you know. Might land you a bounty on your head Blink

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#73 - 2012-10-08 14:03:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Relax, the bounty system won't make people who have bounties free for all to everyone else. That will be reserved for, uh, people who steal bookmarks out of bait cans and targeting mining vessels without their pilots' permission (coming in 2014).

Also, all the people getting ready to jump on the alt bandwagon for forum posting just to avoid bounties make me sad for the state of gaming as a whole. I don't understand how someone can insist on playing a shooting game while having less balls than an underbudgeted inner-city school gymnasium. With all the people I **** off, I'll probably hit ten figures in a month. And guess what? I'll wear that **** as a badge of honor. I've never even considered using alts to post on forums, unlike these tiny cowards who are scurrying in panic like ants under a microscope. Way to play a videogame.



Real men/women play with thier real name and post thier address and phone number and credit card info. They dont hide behind a female avatar in a make believe game and pretend to be tuff.

People post with alts for many reasons. Some corps have a code of conduct that restricts them from posting on the forums as they represent that corp.

Others just want to be able to speak thier mind and not have to deal with the numerous asshats that troll these forums. Others use it as a form of meta gaming.

Just because you may not have the ability to see or think outside your own small box doesnt mean that all these people are cowards.

Once again thank you for removing any doubt.

How does exposing yourself to identity theft by anonymous parties make you brave? That's stupidity, not courage.

Your other points, in order:

1. Not being allowed to post by your corporation means you're in a ****** corporation which is led by another castrated sperglord who is too afraid to agitate someone who might know how to fit weapons to a ship without resulting in an epic killmail-of-the-year post on Battleclinic.

2. Speaking your mind is just as valid, if not more so, on your main than on an alt. If you're too afraid to speak your mind without hiding your real character(s), you're a tiny baby coward.

3. Meta-gaming is fine, but don't expect to be taken seriously. Alt posts are inconsequential.

I'm by no means a tough guy. I won't, however, denigrate myself by hiding from the one arguable feature that makes this game worth playing. If you do, then you have the integrity and testicular fortitude of a wet paper bag full of used tampons.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#74 - 2012-10-08 14:06:38 UTC
Arec Bardwin wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
I kind of like that you guys are speculating about the feature my team is working on, it shows that you care :3
Smugness is not a good quality, you know. Might land you a bounty on your head Blink

http://i47.tinypic.com/29ar2b7.jpg


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Photosynth
#75 - 2012-10-08 14:09:40 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
.........

Also side note: The value of your ship will directly influence how worth it is to collect the bounty in High Sec without kill rights. Flying a 10 mil ship that pays out a 10% bounty wouldn't be worth it. Flying a 800mil ship that pays out 80 mil might be. Assuming the system works that way.

Im hoping the bounty setter will be able to set the percent rate, from 1% up to whatever limit insures no one can make a net profit by shooting themselves.

Id like to see you be able to set bounties over classes of people, and define classes of people eligible to collect. For example: a bounty on all people with a -5 or lower sec status, collectable by anyone with a sec status above +2, excluding members of particular alliances.

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Ryhss
#76 - 2012-10-08 14:18:10 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
MilitantMan wrote:
CCP seriously you are going to allow people to be griefed out of the game and you support that? WTF are you mental or something?

Anyone can put 50 mill, 100mill or whatever bounty on a person, as much as they like, so that they just get constantly shot at by anyone and everyone...

What are you drinking?



This guy seems and intelligent and well balanced individual who has spent quite a long time putting together his argument, which is supported by top quality critical thinking and presented in a logical yet interesting way design to persuade us to his point of view in a delicate manner.

In light of such a well crafted and masterful use of posting I must make sure that I spent and equal amount of time to compose my rebuttal. Here it goes:


no u

Listen.....smell that? Sarcasm.

I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"

CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#77 - 2012-10-08 14:19:33 UTC
Arec Bardwin wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
I kind of like that you guys are speculating about the feature my team is working on, it shows that you care :3
Smugness is not a good quality, you know. Might land you a bounty on your head Blink

http://i47.tinypic.com/29ar2b7.jpg


haha!

(now I want a bounty!)

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#78 - 2012-10-08 14:21:18 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
People post with alts for many reasons. Some corps have a code of conduct that restricts them from posting on the forums as they represent that corp.

Those corps and the people who join them are retards.

Also, EN24 is completely terrible. How did that "article" make it past the "editors"?

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#79 - 2012-10-08 14:26:11 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
People post with alts for many reasons. Some corps have a code of conduct that restricts them from posting on the forums as they represent that corp.

Those corps and the people who join them are retards.

Also, EN24 is completely terrible. How did that "article" make it past the "editors"?


Well Ed, Ed, and Eddie were busy hatching a plot to sell tickets to a fake amusement park for 25 cents a person. This impacted their ability to get the editing done before the deadline.

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Stormcrows
#80 - 2012-10-08 14:30:45 UTC
Arec Bardwin wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
I kind of like that you guys are speculating about the feature my team is working on, it shows that you care :3
Smugness is not a good quality, you know. Might land you a bounty on your head Blink

http://i47.tinypic.com/29ar2b7.jpg


Punkturis linked this on Twitter, incoming like spam in 5....


Personally I laughed, then I facepalmed, and yet I still think this should be the image when you have a bounty instead of [WANTED] in big red letters over your portrait.

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