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Delucian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-10-17 16:58:47 UTC
I am looking to get my feet wet doing some low sec ratting (right now typically 0.3 & 0.4 space). I will be doing this both solo and with a wingman.

Which of the three ships I typically fly would be best?

- Vengeance (typically dual rep)
- Vexor
- Drake

Wing man will typically be in a Frig.

I am leaning toward the Vexor for solo.

Thoughts?
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#2 - 2011-10-17 17:41:51 UTC
Drake.

Most people targeting belt ratters will warp in at 0-20k off the belt center. When you're 50k off slinging missiles aligned and don't have to worry about pulling drones in, you just warp off merrily.

Vengeance has less problem with gates, but more likely to get snagged by a frig in belts, while the Vexor is the worst of both worlds since you're fatter than a vengeance and will be waiting on drones.

Get a drake, since it's for ratting you can shoehorn on a cloak, practice the MWD-cloak for getting through gates (hell, it works just as well for getting out of belts, for some reason people seem to forget that you can use cloak-mwd at any point), and stay aligned while ratting and you'll be fine.

Delucian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-10-17 17:46:21 UTC
Tamiya Sarossa wrote:
Drake.

Most people targeting belt ratters will warp in at 0-20k off the belt center. When you're 50k off slinging missiles aligned and don't have to worry about pulling drones in, you just warp off merrily.

Vengeance has less problem with gates, but more likely to get snagged by a frig in belts, while the Vexor is the worst of both worlds since you're fatter than a vengeance and will be waiting on drones.

Get a drake, since it's for ratting you can shoehorn on a cloak, practice the MWD-cloak for getting through gates (hell, it works just as well for getting out of belts, for some reason people seem to forget that you can use cloak-mwd at any point), and stay aligned while ratting and you'll be fine.



Excellent points. Yea, considering drone cost and retreival times I should probably cut my selection to the Veng and Drake (my skills are better with them as well).

Thanks for the input.
Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#4 - 2011-10-17 17:50:45 UTC
Below is the pretty standard solo nano-drake. This should be able to escape most gate camps (MOST) should be just fine for ratting and can fight back against most ships if it has to...but if you are new to low sec...stick to frigs and cruisers until you learn pvp. Ratting in low sec = asking for someone to warp in on you and violence your ship.


[Drake, Pango]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#5 - 2011-10-17 18:15:13 UTC
If you're looking for ISK, lowsec ratting isn't the way to do it. Either go ratting in 0.0 with a SB or do lvl 3/4 missions in highsec, either one will give you better ISK/h.

However, if you're looking to have some fun and a change of pace killing some rats in lowsec, it's actually really fun to do so in a T1 frig. I can remember taking down BS-sized rats in lowsec and it's tons of fun (not high ISK/h, but it is fun).
Delucian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-17 18:15:27 UTC
Dark Pangolin wrote:
Below is the pretty standard solo nano-drake. This should be able to escape most gate camps (MOST) should be just fine for ratting and can fight back against most ships if it has to...but if you are new to low sec...stick to frigs and cruisers until you learn pvp. Ratting in low sec = asking for someone to warp in on you and violence your ship.


[Drake, Pango]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5


So a question on this fit (and I am somewhat familiar with PVP) - if I am looking to do two things (Rat & Evade) why would I want two web's and a disruptor (over more tank)?

I can see using the webs to lock down frigs (rats), to make them easier to hit (yet, Percision missiles can do the same thing as can a bay of light drones).

I am probably missing something and can see the nano-drake being useful, just need to understand the mids better. If I were planning on sticking around for a PVP brawl the things you listed would be needed. But if not ....
Delucian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-10-17 18:18:41 UTC
mxzf wrote:
If you're looking for ISK, lowsec ratting isn't the way to do it. Either go ratting in 0.0 with a SB or do lvl 3/4 missions in highsec, either one will give you better ISK/h.

However, if you're looking to have some fun and a change of pace killing some rats in lowsec, it's actually really fun to do so in a T1 frig. I can remember taking down BS-sized rats in lowsec and it's tons of fun (not high ISK/h, but it is fun).


Really, I am doing this for two main reasons and one ancillary reason
- it looks like fun
- I need the practice (ratting and evasion)

Ancillary
- a buddy needs help restoring his sec status

Using the Vengeance seems like a workable plan too, I was just not sure if it could take bigger game - possibly a BS might be problematic.
Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority
#8 - 2011-10-17 18:21:13 UTC
Forget low-sec ratting for money making...lvl4s in high sec are better money makers (easily). Always talking isk/hour.

If you want to make some ok isk, relatively safe and boost your sec status at the same time, use a MSE and/or sig tanked Stealth Bomber in 0.0 space, or even your standard PvP nano-drake or nano-cane.

With the SB you can relatively easily penetrate enemy lines and go find a quiet system or cluster of systems to rat in. With the PvP BCs that's harder, but at the same time you might pray on more stuff than NPCs if opportunity arises.

"War does not determine who is right - only who is left." -- Bertrand Russell

Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#9 - 2011-10-17 18:28:30 UTC
Delucian wrote:
Dark Pangolin wrote:
Below is the pretty standard solo nano-drake. This should be able to escape most gate camps (MOST) should be just fine for ratting and can fight back against most ships if it has to...but if you are new to low sec...stick to frigs and cruisers until you learn pvp. Ratting in low sec = asking for someone to warp in on you and violence your ship.


[Drake, Pango]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5


So a question on this fit (and I am somewhat familiar with PVP) - if I am looking to do two things (Rat & Evade) why would I want two web's and a disruptor (over more tank)?

I can see using the webs to lock down frigs (rats), to make them easier to hit (yet, Percision missiles can do the same thing as can a bay of light drones).

I am probably missing something and can see the nano-drake being useful, just need to understand the mids better. If I were planning on sticking around for a PVP brawl the things you listed would be needed. But if not ....


This is flown like every other Nano ship...KITE! You orbit your enemy at 22km (max range of your point +/-2km) . Overheat your point if necessary. Most other ships you face will not be able to effectively fight you at that range. If a ship seems to be doing too much damage to you or if you just plain dont want to fight... align out...overheat MWD ...proceed to outrun every ship in your class and warp away. Any ship you can not outrun...you double-web...then you can outrun it...the webs are defensive not offensive. Any frig/inty fast enough to catch you, you can double web and murder with drones/missiles very quickly.
Delucian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-10-17 18:35:03 UTC
Quote:
This is flown like every other Nano ship...KITE! You orbit your enemy at 22km (max range of your point +/-2km) . Overheat your point if necessary. Most other ships you face will not be able to effectively fight you at that range. If a ship seems to be doing too much damage to you or if you just plain dont want to fight... align out...overheat MWD ...proceed to outrun every ship in your class and warp away. Any ship you can not outrun...you double-web...then you can outrun it...the webs are defensive not offensive. Any frig/inty fast enough to catch you, you can double web and murder with drones/missiles very quickly.


Great, now I understand. Thanks
Fedimart
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-10-17 18:41:15 UTC
When I was a newer pilot I used a Caracal to rat in lowsec. Although it probably won't survive a PVP encounter with a BC it's cheap and powerful enough for lowsec rats. If someone warps into the belt GTFO since many PVP'ers are in fleets and you will die regardless of what ship you're flying. The Drake is an awesome null sec ratter though. If you can get a spot to rat in null sec fly a Drake and you'll make a lot more than in lowsec.
Delucian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-10-17 18:43:51 UTC
Would ECM drones be more useful in the case of getting jumped?
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#13 - 2011-10-17 18:56:28 UTC
Delucian wrote:
mxzf wrote:
If you're looking for ISK, lowsec ratting isn't the way to do it. Either go ratting in 0.0 with a SB or do lvl 3/4 missions in highsec, either one will give you better ISK/h.

However, if you're looking to have some fun and a change of pace killing some rats in lowsec, it's actually really fun to do so in a T1 frig. I can remember taking down BS-sized rats in lowsec and it's tons of fun (not high ISK/h, but it is fun).


Really, I am doing this for two main reasons and one ancillary reason
- it looks like fun
- I need the practice (ratting and evasion)

Ancillary
- a buddy needs help restoring his sec status

Using the Vengeance seems like a workable plan too, I was just not sure if it could take bigger game - possibly a BS might be problematic.


If you're looking for fun, practice evading, and sec status, ratting in 0.0 in a SB is definitely the best bet in my experience.

Also, the Vengeance will do fine against lowsec rats. I've taken down BS rats in lowsec with a named-fit Rifter (it took quite a while, but it was extremely fun, with two people it'd be quick work).