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Buff Ganking--Nevermind, Nerfed Again

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Oggat
The Adam's Family
#841 - 2012-10-08 07:04:48 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

Who are you going to kill with one thrasher, dude?

This is the most laughable thing...ever.

It's AWOX Darth. Corp kill. FREE of charge. 100% profit.

Now let's take FA and Goons - what, 15,000?? I'm guessing w/o checking.

AT ONE mack each - that's 15,000 macks. Now just 1 more each, go on, for the corp.... You can do it.

30,000 kills and they are as good as guaranteed kills and FREE.

Do it smart. Assimilate. Infiltrate. Do it slow....

Then BANG.

Corps will shut down, no recruiting, no-one will trust anybody. Chaos and anarchy.

The miners will absolutely fn riot!!! Twisted

No they won't dude and you know it. They'll join NPC corps by not adapting when their corps close and keep on mining. Roll


Actually, that is adapting. The same way as null sec hauler alts is adappting to war dec's.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#842 - 2012-10-08 07:08:38 UTC
Oggat wrote:


Because I know the difference between reproc, market manipulation and mining profits. I also will hold to the firm belief that the only ones absorbing the barge losses were Bots and null sec corp Ops. Solo miners in high sec were not 'enjoying' enough of a spike to adjust for the loss of a Hulk and those were the only ones being targeted by the ganking that was removed,


Minerals and ice trippled in price and stablised at that level. I'd say earning three times more isk for your work is a good thing no?

After the buff ice has lost 2/3 of its value and its still dropping. So are miners better off now than before the buff? No, they are not.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#843 - 2012-10-08 07:09:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Oggat wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

Who are you going to kill with one thrasher, dude?

This is the most laughable thing...ever.

It's AWOX Darth. Corp kill. FREE of charge. 100% profit.

Now let's take FA and Goons - what, 15,000?? I'm guessing w/o checking.

AT ONE mack each - that's 15,000 macks. Now just 1 more each, go on, for the corp.... You can do it.

30,000 kills and they are as good as guaranteed kills and FREE.

Do it smart. Assimilate. Infiltrate. Do it slow....

Then BANG.

Corps will shut down, no recruiting, no-one will trust anybody. Chaos and anarchy.

The miners will absolutely fn riot!!! Twisted

No they won't dude and you know it. They'll join NPC corps by not adapting when their corps close and keep on mining. Roll


Actually, that is adapting. The same way as null sec hauler alts is adappting to war dec's.

Well if not doing anything but whining is adaptation, then high-sec miners are epic adapters. Blink

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#844 - 2012-10-08 07:10:25 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
People who kill other people in video games have no place anywhere in modern society. At this point it's simply a waiting game until they die out, and humanity can finally have world peace.


Seek therapy.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#845 - 2012-10-08 07:10:54 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Maybe you should have "crafted" some shield extenders instead of expanded cargoholds.


Shield extenders and invuls are low profit crafting products.

High supply and low demand force prices down.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#846 - 2012-10-08 07:12:00 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Maybe you should have "crafted" some shield extenders instead of expanded cargoholds.


Shield extenders and invuls are low profit crafting products.

High supply and low demand force prices down.

Failure is more costly to crafting than success every time.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#847 - 2012-10-08 07:15:55 UTC
It pains me to be in an alliance with you idiots.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#848 - 2012-10-08 07:16:07 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Maybe you should have "crafted" some shield extenders instead of expanded cargoholds.


Shield extenders and invuls are low profit crafting products.

High supply and low demand force prices down.

The tortoise finished the race before the hare.

Which is unsurprising, since the tortoise made a big deal out of fitting a tank.

This is a great story. I think all miners would do well to read it.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Oggat
The Adam's Family
#849 - 2012-10-08 07:16:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Oggat wrote:


Because I know the difference between reproc, market manipulation and mining profits. I also will hold to the firm belief that the only ones absorbing the barge losses were Bots and null sec corp Ops. Solo miners in high sec were not 'enjoying' enough of a spike to adjust for the loss of a Hulk and those were the only ones being targeted by the ganking that was removed,


Minerals and ice trippled in price and stablised at that level. I'd say earning three times more isk for your work is a good thing no?

After the buff ice has lost 2/3 of its value and its still dropping. So are miners better off now than before the buff? No, they are not.


Yes, they are better off.

Most miners don't mine Ice. Price is down because of Bots. Mineral prices are spiked because of Drone region nerf and Meta 0 loot removal. High sec Miners never got the benefit of that spike because they had to sink it all back in to new Hulks. Now they might actually get to make a little ISK and keep it.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#850 - 2012-10-08 07:17:34 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Failure is more costly to crafting than success every time.


Especially when you try to craft Light Neutron Blaster IIs and Catalysts. And then gankers start universe wide strike.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#851 - 2012-10-08 07:17:41 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

Who are you going to kill with one thrasher, dude?

This is the most laughable thing...ever.

It's AWOX Darth. Corp kill. FREE of charge. 100% profit.

Now let's take FA and Goons - what, 15,000?? I'm guessing w/o checking.

AT ONE mack each - that's 15,000 macks. Now just 1 more each, go on, for the corp.... You can do it.

30,000 kills and they are as good as guaranteed kills and FREE.

Do it smart. Assimilate. Infiltrate. Do it slow....

Then BANG.

Corps will shut down, no recruiting, no-one will trust anybody. Chaos and anarchy.

The miners will absolutely fn riot!!! Twisted

No they won't dude and you know it. They'll join NPC corps by not adapting when their corps close and keep on mining. Roll

Not so sure.

What of all their POS's, corp manufacturing etc. You wont get ém all, granted, but the rage. Oh the rage!! I'm getting excited just thinking about it - and I'm a miner at heart!!

And ya gotta ask, since no sec status loss, would churning your alts to keep, errrr... anonymity..... be an exploit?

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#852 - 2012-10-08 07:19:07 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
So are miners better off now than before the buff? No, they are not.


Apparently miners in Macks are now 100% invulnerable and free to mine forever so yes I would say that makes them a fair bit better off than before the buff :)
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#853 - 2012-10-08 07:19:28 UTC
Joining Goonswarm is as simple as paying your :tenbux: and posting in the Goonswarm thread in the MMO HMO on the Something Awful forums.

I guess a lot of people just can't afford ten dollars.
Speaker for TheDead
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#854 - 2012-10-08 07:20:29 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Oggat wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

Who are you going to kill with one thrasher, dude?

This is the most laughable thing...ever.

It's AWOX Darth. Corp kill. FREE of charge. 100% profit.

Now let's take FA and Goons - what, 15,000?? I'm guessing w/o checking.

AT ONE mack each - that's 15,000 macks. Now just 1 more each, go on, for the corp.... You can do it.

30,000 kills and they are as good as guaranteed kills and FREE.

Do it smart. Assimilate. Infiltrate. Do it slow....

Then BANG.

Corps will shut down, no recruiting, no-one will trust anybody. Chaos and anarchy.

The miners will absolutely fn riot!!! Twisted

No they won't dude and you know it. They'll join NPC corps by not adapting when their corps close and keep on mining. Roll


Actually, that is adapting. The same way as null sec hauler alts is adappting to war dec's.

Well if not doing anything but whining is adaptation, then high-sec miners are epic adapters. Blink


They don't seem to be the ones whining here. Instead it seems to be the same old Mittani alts and pets....Lol




"Inception date: [u]Expired[/u]."
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#855 - 2012-10-08 07:22:01 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Failure is more costly to crafting than success every time.


Especially when you try to craft Light Neutron Blaster IIs and Catalysts. And then gankers start universe wide strike.

We learned the best form of adaptation is to do nothing and cry on the forums.

It would help if we acted dumb too, but we're not particularly adept at that.

Sorry about your selection of product. Blink

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#856 - 2012-10-08 07:22:01 UTC
Oggat wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Oggat wrote:


Because I know the difference between reproc, market manipulation and mining profits. I also will hold to the firm belief that the only ones absorbing the barge losses were Bots and null sec corp Ops. Solo miners in high sec were not 'enjoying' enough of a spike to adjust for the loss of a Hulk and those were the only ones being targeted by the ganking that was removed,


Minerals and ice trippled in price and stablised at that level. I'd say earning three times more isk for your work is a good thing no?

After the buff ice has lost 2/3 of its value and its still dropping. So are miners better off now than before the buff? No, they are not.


Yes, they are better off.

Most miners don't mine Ice. Price is down because of Bots. Mineral prices are spiked because of Drone region nerf and Meta 0 loot removal. High sec Miners never got the benefit of that spike because they had to sink it all back in to new Hulks. Now they might actually get to make a little ISK and keep it.

I've given advice to people after being at war with them, which sometimes included mining safety. I directed them to out-of-the-way systems, and they never got ganked, ever. The ones that refused to go out more than five jumps from Jita/Amarr got ganked. I really fail to see why those people should be protected.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#857 - 2012-10-08 07:23:31 UTC
Speaker for TheDead wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Oggat wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:

It's AWOX Darth. Corp kill. FREE of charge. 100% profit.

Now let's take FA and Goons - what, 15,000?? I'm guessing w/o checking.

AT ONE mack each - that's 15,000 macks. Now just 1 more each, go on, for the corp.... You can do it.

30,000 kills and they are as good as guaranteed kills and FREE.

Do it smart. Assimilate. Infiltrate. Do it slow....

Then BANG.

Corps will shut down, no recruiting, no-one will trust anybody. Chaos and anarchy.

The miners will absolutely fn riot!!! Twisted

No they won't dude and you know it. They'll join NPC corps by not adapting when their corps close and keep on mining. Roll


Actually, that is adapting. The same way as null sec hauler alts is adappting to war dec's.

Well if not doing anything but whining is adaptation, then high-sec miners are epic adapters. Blink


They don't seem to be the ones whining here. Instead it seems to be the same old Mittani alts and pets....Lol





So when confronted with the truth of your argument, you resort to ad-hominem. Brilliant.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#858 - 2012-10-08 07:25:27 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Are you saying that alliance with 360 Tech moons can't offer more than 10M/exhumer?

That's 360 trillion a month.

I want some of what you're smoking, it seems to be strong stuff.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#859 - 2012-10-08 07:25:39 UTC
Oggat wrote:


Yes, they are better off.

Most miners don't mine Ice. Price is down because of Bots. Mineral prices are spiked because of Drone region nerf and Meta 0 loot removal. High sec Miners never got the benefit of that spike because they had to sink it all back in to new Hulks. Now they might actually get to make a little ISK and keep it.


Bots are back because the cant be killed, and this is what is screwing over not only ice but minerals and even plex prices. Miners are losing out yet again because some simply did not make the effort to adapt and protect themselves.

Miners were better off but not after the buff.
Pipa Porto
#860 - 2012-10-08 07:27:43 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
It can be repeatedly demonstrated that ganking campaings raised the prices of materials successfully brought to market by miners. Successful miners earned more.

That is the effect of ganking on mining. A net benefit.


Ganking lowers my profit since I don't sell any of the materials but instead I use all to craft ships and modules.


Keep going with those lies.

Do you then sell those ships and modules? Have you noticed that their prices are tied (fairly closely) to the prices of minerals?
Higher Mineral Prices mean Higher Ship prices means ganking helps your bottom line unless you're not paying attention and not tanked and get ganked.

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