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Buff Ganking--Nevermind, Nerfed Again

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The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#821 - 2012-10-08 06:48:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:


So if you can do that why don't you go and do it?


We do.


So what the good **** are you complaining about. You have an activity you can do that makes you a profit. Stop doing the activity that is making you a loss and start doing the activity that makes you a profit. This is the basis of the advice "adapt" that you have been given. Good god Bat Country need to be purged.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#822 - 2012-10-08 06:48:50 UTC
The Slayer wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
The Slayer wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:


You can train an awoxing thrasher on a trial account in less than a day, there are literally dozens of corporations that will take you in with no questions asked. Never underestimate how stupid people are.


Why make a few mil on a dead mack when you can steal a few bil of assets, all their corp wallet and steal their POS then blow up the CEOs officer fitted tengu?


So if you can do that why don't you go and do it? I don't see why every single aspect in the game HAS to make you a profit or else its broken.

It doesn't have to. But the potential should be there.

Now, it's gone.


I'm fairly sure you can still manage to figure out a way to make a profit from ganking Macks, for example one post above yours mentioned the protection scheme. Gank the Mack, eat the loss, then con the mark into giving you money for protection. Easy mode.

That's not an unfair point, but ganking still needs a buff. Even if it's just in the form of letting smartbombs activate in the vicinity of GSC's.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#823 - 2012-10-08 06:49:01 UTC
The Slayer wrote:


Mining bots were a massive problem before the buffs, they remain a massive problem now. You are in the CFC don't you try and pretend for a SECOND that hulkageddon was ANYTHING to do with removing bots from EVE, you and I both know that is bullshit propaganda.


Hulkageddon was not what killed the bots in gal or caldari space. We did that and then other pirates kept their numbers down.

Now read the rest of it.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#824 - 2012-10-08 06:50:09 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
There has to be a demand for it.

Value = Demand / Supply.

Think about it.


The problem is that they use maybe 1 trillion for this.

Where those other 359 trillion go?

SRF for the most part, some of it maybe to reward successful FC's with PLEX. It mostly goes to the membership.

Free Rifters, man.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#825 - 2012-10-08 06:50:33 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
The Slayer wrote:


So what the good **** are you complaining about. You have an activity you can do that makes you a profit. Stop doing the activity that is making you a loss and start doing the activity that makes you a profit. This is the basis of the advice "adapt" that you have been given. Good god Bat Country need to be purged.



The changes mean that it is not possible to profitably gank macks so it is impossible to adapt and thus, macks face no real threat. It also means that the skiff is rendered useless and the hulk shunned due to its tank making it profitable to gank if no tank is fitted. The macks invulnerability also means that mining bots are thriving which has had a disasterous impact on ice prices and has stalled mineral price growth as the markets get flooded with minerals. The sudden arrival of hundreds of bots has also forced up the price of plex which is hurting everyone who uses them. The barge update has also failed in its main goal of getting all of the barges roles to play.

This is what we are complaining about, read it ALL this time.
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#826 - 2012-10-08 06:50:43 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The Slayer wrote:


Mining bots were a massive problem before the buffs, they remain a massive problem now. You are in the CFC don't you try and pretend for a SECOND that hulkageddon was ANYTHING to do with removing bots from EVE, you and I both know that is bullshit propaganda.


Hulkageddon was not what killed the bots in gal or caldari space. We did that and then other pirates kept their numbers down.

Now read the rest of it.


I swear to god I am going to find your bot and I am going to awox the crap out of it.
Pipa Porto
#827 - 2012-10-08 06:51:25 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Do you know what products the guy you're posting at even sells?

If you did you'd understand the "for profit" jest. A lot of things require you to think critically.

What metric do you think the 10M isk per Hulk actually represents?

Think about it hard. I'll give you a hint: It's one of the Hulk's constituent components. Roll


Are you saying that alliance with 360 Tech moons can't offer more than 10M/exhumer?

That's 360 trillion a month.


Having fun with these lies?

In what world does a Tech Moon produce 1 Trillion ISK a month?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
captain foivos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#828 - 2012-10-08 06:51:37 UTC
S-D5MN
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#829 - 2012-10-08 06:53:44 UTC
The Slayer wrote:


I swear to god I am going to find your bot and I am going to awox the crap out of it.


I dont live in the forge and thus have no bot. But by all means come pay me a vist in VFK.
Oggat
The Adam's Family
#830 - 2012-10-08 06:54:27 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Oggat wrote:
The trouble with this whining that I have is, you can kill Mackinaw's cheap. You just can't do it solo or with your alt. You need a small group. 8 or 10 T1 Desi will take down a macki and for next to no ISK. You **** and moan about miners and all you want is to emulate them at a different task.

EVE is what EVE has always been. Gank beat Tank. Always has, still does. Ganking miners is now true to forum. You need to actually GANK them though.


If theres no isk to be made from it then people won't do it. This is why 99.9% of ships in highsec are left alone.


The same holds true for mining. Gank them enough they stop doing it. CCP chose to keep mining as active content. I support the decision.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#831 - 2012-10-08 06:58:20 UTC
Oggat wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Oggat wrote:
The trouble with this whining that I have is, you can kill Mackinaw's cheap. You just can't do it solo or with your alt. You need a small group. 8 or 10 T1 Desi will take down a macki and for next to no ISK. You **** and moan about miners and all you want is to emulate them at a different task.

EVE is what EVE has always been. Gank beat Tank. Always has, still does. Ganking miners is now true to forum. You need to actually GANK them though.


If theres no isk to be made from it then people won't do it. This is why 99.9% of ships in highsec are left alone.


The same holds true for mining. Gank them enough they stop doing it. CCP chose to keep mining as active content. I support the decision.

It can be repeatedly demonstrated that ganking campaings raised the prices of materials successfully brought to market by miners. Successful miners earned more.

That is the effect of ganking on mining. A net benefit.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#832 - 2012-10-08 06:58:45 UTC
Oggat wrote:


The same holds true for mining. Gank them enough they stop doing it. CCP chose to keep mining as active content. I support the decision.


Problem with your argument is that people did not stop mining and they enjoyed the highest prices for their minerals and ice miners have ever seen while all of this ganking was going on. Why do you want to take those great profits away from miners?
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#833 - 2012-10-08 07:01:10 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:

Who are you going to kill with one thrasher, dude?

This is the most laughable thing...ever.

It's AWOX Darth. Corp kill. FREE of charge. 100% profit.

Now let's take FA and Goons - what, 15,000?? I'm guessing w/o checking.

AT ONE mack each - that's 15,000 macks. Now just 1 more each, go on, for the corp.... You can do it.

30,000 kills and they are as good as guaranteed kills and FREE.

Do it smart. Assimilate. Infiltrate. Do it slow....

Then BANG.

Corps will shut down, no recruiting, no-one will trust anybody. Chaos and anarchy.

The miners will absolutely fn riot!!! Twisted

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#834 - 2012-10-08 07:01:24 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Oggat wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Oggat wrote:
The trouble with this whining that I have is, you can kill Mackinaw's cheap. You just can't do it solo or with your alt. You need a small group. 8 or 10 T1 Desi will take down a macki and for next to no ISK. You **** and moan about miners and all you want is to emulate them at a different task.

EVE is what EVE has always been. Gank beat Tank. Always has, still does. Ganking miners is now true to forum. You need to actually GANK them though.


If theres no isk to be made from it then people won't do it. This is why 99.9% of ships in highsec are left alone.


The same holds true for mining. Gank them enough they stop doing it. CCP chose to keep mining as active content. I support the decision.

It can be repeatedly demonstrated that ganking campaings raised the prices of materials successfully brought to market by miners. Successful miners earned more.

That is the effect of ganking on mining. A net benefit.

It's fine bro, they can just mine more when mineral prices start scraping the floor of the mud huts they live in. That way they'll increase their profits.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#835 - 2012-10-08 07:01:41 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
It can be repeatedly demonstrated that ganking campaings raised the prices of materials successfully brought to market by miners. Successful miners earned more.

That is the effect of ganking on mining. A net benefit.


Ganking lowers my profit since I don't sell any of the materials but instead I use all to craft ships and modules.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#836 - 2012-10-08 07:02:26 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

Who are you going to kill with one thrasher, dude?

This is the most laughable thing...ever.

It's AWOX Darth. Corp kill. FREE of charge. 100% profit.

Now let's take FA and Goons - what, 15,000?? I'm guessing w/o checking.

AT ONE mack each - that's 15,000 macks. Now just 1 more each, go on, for the corp.... You can do it.

30,000 kills and they are as good as guaranteed kills and FREE.

Do it smart. Assimilate. Infiltrate. Do it slow....

Then BANG.

Corps will shut down, no recruiting, no-one will trust anybody. Chaos and anarchy.

The miners will absolutely fn riot!!! Twisted

No they won't dude and you know it. They'll join NPC corps by not adapting when their corps close and keep on mining. Roll

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Oggat
The Adam's Family
#837 - 2012-10-08 07:02:51 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Oggat wrote:


The same holds true for mining. Gank them enough they stop doing it. CCP chose to keep mining as active content. I support the decision.


Problem with your argument is that people did not stop mining and they enjoyed the highest prices for their minerals and ice miners have ever seen while all of this ganking was going on. Why do you want to take those great profits away from miners?


Because I know the difference between reproc, market manipulation and mining profits. I also will hold to the firm belief that the only ones absorbing the barge losses were Bots and null sec corp Ops. Solo miners in high sec were not 'enjoying' enough of a spike to adjust for the loss of a Hulk and those were the only ones being targeted by the ganking that was removed,
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#838 - 2012-10-08 07:03:15 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
It can be repeatedly demonstrated that ganking campaings raised the prices of materials successfully brought to market by miners. Successful miners earned more.

That is the effect of ganking on mining. A net benefit.


Ganking lowers my profit since I don't sell any of the materials but instead I use all to craft ships and modules.

Only because you failed. If you were successful, ganking helped your profits.

This can be repeatedly demonstrated.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#839 - 2012-10-08 07:03:37 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
It can be repeatedly demonstrated that ganking campaings raised the prices of materials successfully brought to market by miners. Successful miners earned more.

That is the effect of ganking on mining. A net benefit.


Ganking lowers my profit since I don't sell any of the materials but instead I use all to craft ships and modules.

Maybe you should have "crafted" some shield extenders instead of expanded cargoholds.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#840 - 2012-10-08 07:04:32 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

Who are you going to kill with one thrasher, dude?

This is the most laughable thing...ever.

It's AWOX Darth. Corp kill. FREE of charge. 100% profit.

Now let's take FA and Goons - what, 15,000?? I'm guessing w/o checking.

AT ONE mack each - that's 15,000 macks. Now just 1 more each, go on, for the corp.... You can do it.

30,000 kills and they are as good as guaranteed kills and FREE.

Do it smart. Assimilate. Infiltrate. Do it slow....

Then BANG.

Corps will shut down, no recruiting, no-one will trust anybody. Chaos and anarchy.

The miners will absolutely fn riot!!! Twisted


We had one on goon space the other day. He killed a tengu and then got booted. Recruitment is still going on today.