EVE General Discussion

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm just going to wait and see how it turns out. ..not that I won't check out the devblog of course.

Then just imagine what it must feel like for them, then.

How humiliating!

[edit] or most of them are just afk farming mats for isk or botting, whichever. [/edit]

You're not making any sense. I think the dreaded carebears will enjoy this new more fair highsec. The only people who don't like it are the people who are gaming the current system to their advantage.


Edit because of other person's edit: I think there are less bots in highsec than some people like to go on about. There are too many but every miner who doesn't want to chat with you in local isn't a botter.

I'd say both. Botters are bad. Easy mode ganking is bad. Both are bad.


Did they differentiate between miner and trading bots? I am not trying to pick you apart. I am honestly curious.


Either way I think the risk in ganking is too easily managed. The ganker sets the when and how without any retaliation that they didn't also calculate in. Concord is predictable and not a risk or variable. Their biggest risk is not bringing enough alpha which is also a manageable variable by scanning to predict the other person's tank or knowing how much HP a freighter might have.

Not what I was asking but sure. I'll bite.

Mining bots didn't benefit from the barge changes as they relate to ganking. The bots are more perfect than humans at avoiding ganks. They have a perfect attention span and a perfect handle on local/d-scan.

Also, are you arguing that the game should stagnate at the fear of making botting easier? Human players also benefited from the mining barge/exhumer changes. They were the ones that benefited the most from those changes. They are the ones that will benefit from these changes. Ganking will still be possible it will just have variables that are outside the gankers control.

In the system as it exists now where is the non-controlled risk to gankers?

Where is the surprise gate camp?

Where is the "oops they brought our fleet comp's perfect counter," that exists in PvP?

Where is the "they brought more people," that also exists in PvP?

Where are the unpredictable variables in highsec suicide ganking in its current state?

The highlighted part is a different argument. Who says ganking miners should be efficient? I believe it was CCP Soundwave that said ganking isn't supposed to be about profit. I don't remember where exactly.

Either way the variable is how many ships does it take to kill a Mackinaw? That is predictable. I do not know the answer as it is not a part of the game I participate in.

If you want to kill a Mack you can predict the exact force needed and the cost of that force with much more accuracy than any other "PvP" situation in the game. Your variable is essentially limited to "do they warp away?" If they do it is 0 cost to the ganker unless somehow they get their ship destroyed due to low sec status which is also something he/she alone controls. They can not "ignore" any threat. I assure you that if 50 thrashers hits grid and targets them it is a threat they couldn't afford to ignore whether they do or not. I also assure you that if I logged into my trade alt and looked at Jita I could give you an exact cost for those 50 thrashers. All I would need is a ganking fit.

If they are paying attention they warp away and the ganker suffers no loss.



Ship Scanner
The Ship Scanner is an active, mid-slot item. Using this will allow you to check what modules a ship is carrying.


Using this module you can predict their tank and therefor predict with high accuracy how much force is required. You can then calculate whether that amount of force is worth the cost of ganking the target. The variables are predictable.


I am not saying that ganking is cost effective if you're trying to turn a profit but I also think that making a profit off high-sec ganking shouldn't be the point. From my perspective the cost and process of ganking lacks variables and it also lacks a way for a ganked target to retaliate once their ship is destroyed. Most miners and haulers lack combat skills. These changes means that they won't be forced to deviate from their chosen profession to seek some retribution. It gives them a viable avenue to pay the gankers back. I still don't see a problem with any of it.

I didn't want to come across as abrasive but that is essentially how I feel.

Good call. Can we put bounties on NPC Corps, too?

How about bounties on Mackinaws?

I'd buy that for a dollar.

AFAIK: You can put bounties on anyone, this will make things interesting. Anyone with ISK can turn another player or groups of players into juicier targets to be attacked by wardec, suicide gank or maybe even RETRIBUTION (transferable killrights.)

EDIT:
Though I think you would have to be more selective with who you put bounties on than just generalizing Mackinaws. (I'm guessing you would gain from them being exploded in some way. Big pile of minerals to inflate the price of? Large collection of Mackinaw bpcs or even a bpo? )