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Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 455	#741 - 2012-10-08 04:27:05 UTC baltec1 wrote: Price of a ships hull means nothing when ganking it. But price of the hull used in ganking means everything?

baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#742 - 2012-10-08 04:31:27 UTC

Matriarch Prime wrote:

So let me get this strait? Griefers go out and gank a bunch of miners. Say they should adapt and tank up. While they themselves aren't subject to the same expectation, and then when CCP evens the playing field. Instead of taking their own advice, "adapt", they pour into the forums and qq in thier own turn, all while saying that it was miner qq that 'casue the problem.

Here's an alternative. If there had been no problem with miners being mass ganked in the first place, there wouldn't have been a miner buff and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

There's plenty of opportunities out there without your precious miner loot pinata. I'm sure, being so smart and adaptable as you are, that you can manage.

This is 'cause and effect. Butterflies, hurricanes and all that jazz.

Buck up, soldier.

Wrong.

The changes mean that it is not possible to profitably gank macks so it is impossible to adapt. It also means that the skiff is rendered useless and the hulk shunned due to its tank making it profitable to gank if no tank is fitted. The macks invulnerability also means that mining bots are thriving which has had a disasterous impact on ice prices and has stalled mineral price growth as the markets get flooded with minerals. The sudden arrival of hundreds of bots has also forced up the price of plex which is hurting everyone who uses them. The barge update has also failed in its main goal of getting all of the barges roles to play.

This is what we are complaining about.


baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#743 - 2012-10-08 04:32:38 UTC Jorma Morkkis wrote: baltec1 wrote: Price of a ships hull means nothing when ganking it. But price of the hull used in ganking means everything? We dont pay for their hull

James Amril-Kesh

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#744 - 2012-10-08 04:42:04 UTC

EglantinFinfleur wrote:

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

EglantinFinfleur wrote:

You brought this upon yourself.

Don't like it, don't play this game. Nobody's forcing you.
And if you're the kind of person who wants a fun game with no stakes and no rewards for winning or consequences for losing, again, this is not the game for you.

My point exactly. Stop whining. I'll be finally able to bounty hunt to my heart's content and enforce Space Justice

I'm perfectly fine with that. That's not what this discussion is about.

EglantinFinfleur wrote:

while you'll complain endlessly here before finally unsubscribing and going to play Heroes of Newerth with emoraging mouthbreathers so as to get your daily Schadenfreude kick.
I don't want your stuff, I like to earn it!

I'm not complaining. I'm pointing out logical flaws.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)


Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 455	#745 - 2012-10-08 04:50:46 UTC baltec1 wrote: We dont pay for their hull So, you don't have to pay for hull and modules you use... What other buffs you want?

Darth Gustav

Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting

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#746 - 2012-10-08 04:55:12 UTC

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

We dont pay for their hull Roll

So, you don't have to pay for hull and modules you use...

What other buffs you want?

Do you understand who you're posting at and what he's trying to imply or are you just trying to play snarky because you don't get the reference and feel kind of awkward about it?

I think it's a legitimate question really.

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baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#747 - 2012-10-08 04:55:31 UTC 2 Jorma Morkkis wrote: baltec1 wrote: We dont pay for their hull So, you don't have to pay for hull and modules you use... What other buffs you want? Well you just managed to hit an all new level of stupid...


Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 455	#748 - 2012-10-08 05:15:10 UTC baltec1 wrote: Jorma Morkkis wrote: baltec1 wrote: We dont pay for their hull So, you don't have to pay for hull and modules you use... What other buffs you want? Well you just managed to hit an all new level of stupid... Well, you said you don't have to pay for ships you use.

Destiny Corrupted

Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company

Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club

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#749 - 2012-10-08 05:15:23 UTC

I think what we need to do is find a way to push Hulk prices above half a billion, along with the other exhumers. Then have another Hulkageddon, and see what comes out of that. I have twenty bucks on carebears whining about ganking being too cheap, but then again, I'm a fool for familiarity.

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Mallak Azaria

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#750 - 2012-10-08 05:16:03 UTC

Nerf Burger wrote:

try to find a game you don't feel the need to cry about, scrub. the majority of EVE players agree with the Devs that ganking was far too easy and rewarded brainless activity at the expense of others who had little recourse.

there are other games that require actual skills as a player and have a harsh environment with no safety zones. If you want hardcore pvp with full loot and no safety zones, I would suggest you try Darkfall. It would prob chew you up and spit you out though, being a cowardly high-sec ganker, the type who fears real pvp.

There is no 'real PVP' because you always fight a player, which makes it all equal. Also NPC alt, post with main.

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Darth Gustav

Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting

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#751 - 2012-10-08 05:20:06 UTC

Darth Gustav wrote:

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

We dont pay for their hull Roll

So, you don't have to pay for hull and modules you use...

What other buffs you want?

OK, no response is fine, let's see what's next?

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Well, you said you don't have to pay for ships you use.

Oh dear... Oops

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baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#752 - 2012-10-08 05:21:19 UTC 1 Jorma Morkkis wrote: Well, you said you don't have to pay for ships you use. Do you even read before posting these things? Please by all means point out where I said we don't pay for our hulls.

baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#753 - 2012-10-08 05:23:54 UTC | Edited by: baltec1

Destiny Corrupted wrote:

The cost of an exhumers hull dose not factor into the profitability of a gank. It can be worth 5 isk or a trillion isk, it matters not.

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

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#754 - 2012-10-08 05:25:30 UTC | Edited by: Alavaria Fera

baltec1 wrote:

Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Nothing would change. The cost of an exhumers hull dose not factor into the profitability of a gank.

Not like the carebears will care, they don't need even logical excuses to whine.

Personally, they'll go with the whole "you're inflicting more damage to us, so you need to be nerfed more" argument. More EHP again?

Remember the whole "disproportionate damage inflicted" argument? It isn't just about being profitable or not ... if exhumers go up but not the ganking ships, they have to nerf you so that the damage inflicted is once again "proportionate". Anyway, in short, you need to be nerfed more.

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Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting

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#755 - 2012-10-08 05:27:36 UTC | Edited by: Darth Gustav

Alavaria Fera wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Nothing would change. The cost of an exhumers hull dose not factor into the profitability of a gank.

More EHP, two new role bonuses per barge and exhumer, a range bonus, more drone bandwidth, and a new mining crystal bay size basically determined by the number of hardpoints. Roll

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Jorma Morkkis

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#756 - 2012-10-08 05:27:48 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Well, you said you don't have to pay for ships you use.

Do you even read before posting these things?

Please by all means point out where I said we don't pay for our hulls.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2017737#post2017737

Please read the quote again. I meant the hull ganker uses not the exhumer...

In this case "their" = ganker's

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

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#757 - 2012-10-08 05:28:57 UTC

Darth Gustav wrote:

Alavaria Fera wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Nothing would change. The cost of an exhumers hull dose not factor into the profitability of a gank.

More EHP, two new role bonuses per barge and exhumer, a range bonus, more drone bandwidth, and a new mining crystal bay sized basically determined by the number of hardpoints. Roll

Yeah. They need a LOT more range. Those damn bumpers. Also, make them more agile and have higher top speed so they're harder to bump. And higher mass.

Darth Gustav

Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting

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#758 - 2012-10-08 05:29:24 UTC

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Well, you said you don't have to pay for ships you use.

Do you even read before posting these things?

Please by all means point out where I said we don't pay for our hulls.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2017737#post2017737

Please read the quote again. I meant the hull ganker uses not the exhumer...

In this case "their" = ganker's

He's talking about ganking for profit. Where the ganker is paid a flat rate for exhumers ganked.

You get the flat rate, not flat rate + hulls.

I hope that clears it up for you.

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Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club Likes received: 2,930	#759 - 2012-10-08 05:30:35 UTC 1 I think that miners should simply be given the pvp flag option. That would solve everything. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted


Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 455	#760 - 2012-10-08 05:31:46 UTC Darth Gustav wrote: He's talking about ganking for profit. Where the ganker is paid a flat rate for exhumers ganked. You get the flat rate, not flat rate + hulls. I hope that clears it up for you. Where did I speak about price of exhumers or other popular gank targets? Quote and link.

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