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Buff Ganking--Nevermind, Nerfed Again

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#521 - 2012-10-07 12:01:22 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
CCP stated themselves suicide ganking was never intended to be profitable, just read dev logs about mining barges buff and figure out at the beginning this tactic was intended as tool for assets denial, but was never intended to be profitable.
Your reality about profitable gank is just a symptom of a greater illness.

Let me repeat it again for you: ganking was never intended to be profitable.
And I'm sure your a big boy enough to find CCP official stand point about this on mining barges threads.

So, next up on the hisec safetry train is industrials, transporters, orcas, freighters and jumpfreighters?


Also every single combat ship and the salvage boats and shuttles. We cant have them beeing gankable for profit if they fit no tank.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#522 - 2012-10-07 12:02:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
No ganking a hull should never be profitable and I agree with them. Ganking a fitted ship however is something else entirely.


Then you shouldn't be whining when you get GCC and I shoot some RF PP at you.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#523 - 2012-10-07 12:04:13 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
No ganking a hull should never be profitable and I agree with them. Ganking a fitted ship however is something else entirely.


Then you shouldn't be whining when you get GCC and I shoot some RF PP at you.


I dont.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#524 - 2012-10-07 12:05:35 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
No ganking a hull should never be profitable and I agree with them. Ganking a fitted ship however is something else entirely.


Then you shouldn't be whining when you get GCC and I shoot some RF PP at you.


Sense. You don't make it.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#525 - 2012-10-07 12:05:36 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
No ganking a hull should never be profitable and I agree with them. Ganking a fitted ship however is something else entirely.


Then you shouldn't be whining when you get GCC and I shoot some RF PP at you.

You mean something less efficient than what concord is going to do anyways?

Sure sounds like something to whine about. I mean whoa, he might die after ganking someone, this certainly would be a shock to his system.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#526 - 2012-10-07 12:07:03 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Sense. You don't make it.


Nullbears: "Hisec is risk free carebear land! No place for elite pvper."
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#527 - 2012-10-07 12:13:01 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Sense. You don't make it.


Nullbears: "Hisec is risk free carebear land! No place for elite pvper."


You're wrong on both counts. Highsec was never meant to be risk free & most of us don't claim to be elite.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#528 - 2012-10-07 12:24:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Sense. You don't make it.


Nullbears: "Hisec is risk free carebear land! No place for elite pvper."

So you've tried the "you're all botters" routine, the "nobody'd attack goonspace" routine, the "you support botting" routine, the "every miner is a newbie" routine, the "I'm an internet toughguy" routine, and now the "nullbear/elite pvper" routine.

What's next?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#529 - 2012-10-07 12:27:46 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Sense. You don't make it.


Nullbears: "Hisec is risk free carebear land! No place for elite pvper."

So you've tried the "you're all botters" routine, the "nobody'd attack goonspace" routine, the "you support botting" routine, the "every miner is a newbie" routine, the "I'm an internet toughguy" routine, and now the "nullbear/elite pvper" routine.

What's next?

Taking a stab in the dark here but I think we can garentee it won't be him being right about something.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#530 - 2012-10-07 12:31:53 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:


CCP stated themselves suicide ganking was never intended to be profitable, just read dev logs about mining barges buff and figure out at the beginning this tactic was intended as tool for assets denial, but was never intended to be profitable.
Your reality about profitable gank is just a symptom of a greater illness.

Let me repeat it again for you: ganking was never intended to be profitable.
And I'm sure your a big boy enough to find CCP official stand point about this on mining barges threads.


No they stated ganking a hull should never be profitable and I agree with them. Ganking a fitted ship however is something else entirely.


You can change the words as much as you want, in the end you'll stay on your position and I, on my own. Witch leads me to this answer: just find officer fitted mackinaws and they will be profitable again.

brb
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#531 - 2012-10-07 12:36:11 UTC

I thought Goons had given up on ganking Miners (secret agreement with james315) and were focusing soley on freighters now?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#532 - 2012-10-07 12:37:00 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:


CCP stated themselves suicide ganking was never intended to be profitable, just read dev logs about mining barges buff and figure out at the beginning this tactic was intended as tool for assets denial, but was never intended to be profitable.
Your reality about profitable gank is just a symptom of a greater illness.

Let me repeat it again for you: ganking was never intended to be profitable.
And I'm sure your a big boy enough to find CCP official stand point about this on mining barges threads.


No they stated ganking a hull should never be profitable and I agree with them. Ganking a fitted ship however is something else entirely.


You can change the words as much as you want, in the end you'll stay on your position and I, on my own. Witch leads me to this answer: just find officer fitted mackinaws and they will be profitable again.


They don't need to fit a tank at all now, which is the point we're getting at.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#533 - 2012-10-07 12:37:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Sense. You don't make it.


Nullbears: "Hisec is risk free carebear land! No place for elite pvper."


You're wrong on both counts. Highsec was never meant to be risk free & most of us don't claim to be elite.


Then what is this "hisec miners generate risk free isk" whine?

Especially when gankers refuse to bring that risk to hisec because they would lose money doing it.

Can you prove you shoot targets that shoot back. For example in that "war" someone mentioned.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#534 - 2012-10-07 12:38:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Weiland Taur wrote:

I thought Goons had given up on ganking Miners (secret agreement with james315) and were focusing soley on freighters now?


This isn't about what we gank, it's about game balance for everyone. The mining barge buff made AFK mining a risk-free activity & they don't even need to fit a tank anymore.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#535 - 2012-10-07 12:43:07 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Weiland Taur wrote:

I thought Goons had given up on ganking Miners (secret agreement with james315) and were focusing soley on freighters now?


This isn't about what we gank, it's about game balance for everyone. The mining barge buff made AFK mining a risk-free activity & they don't even need to fit a tank anymore.


As a result the bots are swamping highsec again which is not only destroying miners profits but also causing the price of plex to shoot up as hundreds of bots come online.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#536 - 2012-10-07 12:44:10 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:


CCP stated themselves suicide ganking was never intended to be profitable, just read dev logs about mining barges buff and figure out at the beginning this tactic was intended as tool for assets denial, but was never intended to be profitable.
Your reality about profitable gank is just a symptom of a greater illness.

Let me repeat it again for you: ganking was never intended to be profitable.
And I'm sure your a big boy enough to find CCP official stand point about this on mining barges threads.


No they stated ganking a hull should never be profitable and I agree with them. Ganking a fitted ship however is something else entirely.


You can change the words as much as you want, in the end you'll stay on your position and I, on my own. Witch leads me to this answer: just find officer fitted mackinaws and they will be profitable again.


They don't need to fit a tank at all now, which is the point we're getting at.



They do need a tank and they do fit it, that's why you are all crying.

brb
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#537 - 2012-10-07 12:44:49 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Weiland Taur wrote:

I thought Goons had given up on ganking Miners (secret agreement with james315) and were focusing soley on freighters now?


This isn't about what we gank, it's about game balance for everyone. The mining barge buff made AFK mining a risk-free activity & they don't even need to fit a tank anymore.


We can revisit my conspiracy theory later...

It's not risk free, it's simply harder to gank them. Less profitable in the short term. Speaking of James315 if you want profit you can run an extortion/protection racket which are fun words for griefing. Anyway I thought ganking and griefing were about the tears? What happened to the love of the tears?

Game balance is such an odd thing. With every rebalance someone gets screwed. I agree completely that miners should stop being tools and fit tanks but I also think gankers should just figure out a new way to gank them.

Pipa Porto
#538 - 2012-10-07 12:45:53 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
"hurr you just shoot people in hisec because they don't shoot back durr no actually on second thought I don't know what the **** **** I'm spewing all aboard the derpmobile"


If you don't want miners to shoot back then you don't want to find me.

baltec1 wrote:
Yet you defend the Mack that requires no tank mods at all to be safe from most gankers. Irony much?


Two T2 fit Catalysts can easily destroy untanked Mack.

2x T2 fit Catalyst: 30M total

T2 strip miners: 2x 7M = 14M
T2 salvage: 15M
T2 MLUs: 3x 2M
+ 10M from Goons
= 45M


First, you forgot to halve the drop, as each item has a 50% chance of dropping.
Second, you're suggesting that ships be balanced based on a player operated bounty.

I'd say you were being more ridiculous than usual, but sadly this is pretty much par for the course.

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-RubyPorto
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#539 - 2012-10-07 12:46:14 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
You can change the words as much as you want, in the end you'll stay on your position and I, on my own. Witch leads me to this answer: just find officer fitted mackinaws and they will be profitable again.

All pubbies would've had to do to remove the profitability aspect from exhumer ganks, was fit a tank. They refused.

If CCP wanted to just remove the profitability aspect of the exhumer ganking, then all CCP would've had to do is to make it so salvaging a hulk did not yield any valuable salvage.

It wasn't what CCP did, because it's not what CCP wanted. They wanted to stop all hisec ganking of exhumers, period, so they went overboard.

Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Then what is this "hisec miners generate risk free isk" whine?

CCP keeps saying it's not supposed to be safe, but everything CCP has done the past year (including what they're doing with crimewatch 2) is yet another step in the direction of making hisec a place where hisec pubbies make risk free isk.

They're just not being upfront about it quite yet.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#540 - 2012-10-07 12:46:55 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Sense. You don't make it.


Nullbears: "Hisec is risk free carebear land! No place for elite pvper."


You're wrong on both counts. Highsec was never meant to be risk free & most of us don't claim to be elite.


Then what is this "hisec miners generate risk free isk" whine?

Especially when gankers refuse to bring that risk to hisec because they would lose money doing it.

Can you prove you shoot targets that shoot back. For example in that "war" someone mentioned.


As a matter of fact, I can prove that miners are capable of shooting back. It's really a shame that you can never prove anything though. You should work on that.

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