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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#1 - 2012-10-06 16:39:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Harvey James
I see the Tier 1 & 2 bc's as being heavy combat cruisers more dps more tank but less mobile higher sig radius.
Perhaps there is no need to add slots to Tier1 bc's at all.
i mean 16 slots should be enough surely as cruisers have 14 then bs could all be 18, command ships also 18. pirate/navy versions added later 17 slots.

so remove 2 slots from tier2 bc's and then just remove some from the highs and add to lows and mids as needed.
Harbi 7-3-6 5% dmg 5% resist
Prophecy 6-3-6 droneboat 15% drone HP/dmg 10% drone HP 50/150

Drake 7-5-4 5% kin dmg 5% ROF
Ferox 7-5-4 5% dmg 5% resist

Brutix 7-3-6 5% dmg 10% arm rep
Myrmidon 6-3-6 droneboat 10% drone HP/dmg 10% drone tracking 125/250

Hurricane 7-3-6 5% dmg and ROF
Cyclone 7-5-4 5%dmg 7.5% sh boost

increase mass so all are at least 2,500.000 kg heavier than the combat cruisers and reduce sig radius of tier 1&2 bc's by about 25%.
nerf their EHP to closer to Tier 1 bc's they still have plenty of EHP more than combat cruisers anyway
Atm i think they are too close to battleships literally their is only 1 slot difference and in some cases like the scorpion they have the same amount at 18 i think CCP forgot that they are still a cruiser hull in essence a slightly modified version rather than a small battleship :).

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Loius Woo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-10-06 16:40:42 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
Perhaps there is no need to add slots to Tier1 bc's at all.
i mean 16 slots should be enough surely as cruisers have 14 then bs could all be 18.

so remove 2 slots from tier2 bc's and then just remove some from the highs and add to lows and mids as needed.
Harbi 7-3-6 5% dmg 5% resist
Prophecy 6-3-6 droneboat 15% drone HP/dmg 10% drone HP 50/150

Drake 7-5-4 5% kin dmg 5% ROF
Ferox 7-5-4 5% dmg 5% resist

Brutix 7-3-6 5% dmg 10% arm rep
Myrmidon 6-3-6 droneboat 10% drone HP/dmg 10% drone tracking 125/250

Hurricane 7-3-6 5% dmg and ROF
Cyclone 7-5-4 5%dmg 7.5% sh boost

increase mass so all are at least 2,500.000 kg heavier than the combat cruisers and reduce sig radius of bc's by about 25%.
nerf their EHP to closer to Tier 1 bc's they still have plenty of EHP more than combat cruisers anyway


Why?
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#3 - 2012-10-06 16:42:18 UTC
Loius Woo wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
Perhaps there is no need to add slots to Tier1 bc's at all.
i mean 16 slots should be enough surely as cruisers have 14 then bs could all be 18.

so remove 2 slots from tier2 bc's and then just remove some from the highs and add to lows and mids as needed.
Harbi 7-3-6 5% dmg 5% resist
Prophecy 6-3-6 droneboat 15% drone HP/dmg 10% drone HP 50/150

Drake 7-5-4 5% kin dmg 5% ROF
Ferox 7-5-4 5% dmg 5% resist

Brutix 7-3-6 5% dmg 10% arm rep
Myrmidon 6-3-6 droneboat 10% drone HP/dmg 10% drone tracking 125/250

Hurricane 7-3-6 5% dmg and ROF
Cyclone 7-5-4 5%dmg 7.5% sh boost

increase mass so all are at least 2,500.000 kg heavier than the combat cruisers and reduce sig radius of bc's by about 25%.
nerf their EHP to closer to Tier 1 bc's they still have plenty of EHP more than combat cruisers anyway


Why?


Why what?

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#4 - 2012-10-06 16:45:56 UTC
Your Myrmi and Prophecy only have 15. Also, Myrmi would suck with only 3 mids, and you just slotted them in where Tech 3s are now.
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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#5 - 2012-10-06 16:46:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Harvey James
Mars Theran wrote:
Your Myrmi and Prophecy only have 15. Also, Myrmi would suck with only 3 mids, and you just slotted them in where Tech 3s are now.


Droneboats always have one less so..
could always swap a high for the mid i suppose

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Doddy
Excidium.
#6 - 2012-10-06 16:56:14 UTC
Why most of it tbh, but for me the sig radius reduction is the ridiculous thing. BCs are already wtfbbq op for thier level and thier comparitively large sig is their only real disadvantage as it means bs can track them (and bombs do decent damage too) far better than they can cruisers. So reduced sig bcs would now compete with hacs along with everything else they have consigned to the stone age and bs go the way of the dodo.

For the bonuses there are some mixed up ones. For amarr the harbinger is the drone boat (geddon analog) prophecy is the abaddon analog so you are kinda messing with the progression. Amarr don't need a drone bc, i notice you haven't given the minmatar a missile bc .... Make apoc a drone boat and that is about as many drone ships as amarr need. Brutix is the gank cruiser so i would imagine it should lose the rep bonus not the myrm (kill one of eves greatest ship why don't you) but thats just my preference.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#7 - 2012-10-06 17:00:00 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Why most of it tbh, but for me the sig radius reduction is the ridiculous thing. BCs are already wtfbbq op for thier level and thier comparitively large sig is their only real disadvantage as it means bs can track them (and bombs do decent damage too) far better than they can cruisers. So reduced sig bcs would now compete with hacs along with everything else they have consigned to the stone age and bs go the way of the dodo.

For the bonuses there are some mixed up ones. For amarr the harbinger is the drone boat (geddon analog) prophecy is the abaddon analog so you are kinda messing with the progression. Amarr don't need a drone bc, i notice you haven't given the minmatar a missile bc .... Make apoc a drone boat and that is about as many drone ships as amarr need. Brutix is the gank cruiser so i would imagine it should lose the rep bonus not the myrm (kill one of eves greatest ship why don't you) but thats just my preference.


Well the weapon types/bonus's are based on what ccp have indicated they are going to do in blogs and the CSM minutes.
also the sig radius reduction would still leave them bigger than the tier3 bc's

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Doddy
Excidium.
#8 - 2012-10-06 17:11:18 UTC
Tier 3 bcs can't do close in sig tanking because they have so little ehp and poor tracking thanks to large guns, its different.

Also i haven't seen any ccp saying anything bc bonuses, got link?
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#9 - 2012-10-06 17:16:05 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Tier 3 bcs can't do close in sig tanking because they have so little ehp and poor tracking thanks to large guns, its different.

Also i haven't seen any ccp saying anything bc bonuses, got link?


http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2012/CSM_CCP_Meetings_May_June_2012.pdf page 121

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Doddy
Excidium.
#10 - 2012-10-06 17:27:31 UTC
Well hopefully his idea for the prophecy will go the way of the amarr missile frig in there Roll. Killing the prophecy and myrm at the same time would be very ccp though.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-10-06 18:48:06 UTC
The myrm will be fine if they up the bandwith to 100mbps and ncrease the rep abount to 10%. The brutix will be better off with 5% damage and 7.5% to 10% hybrid tracking. That concept for the prophecy is bad.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#12 - 2012-10-06 19:29:00 UTC
Bc's need a nerf

That be true.

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-10-06 19:46:02 UTC
If all tier 1 BCs get +1 slot and all tier 2 BCs get -1 slot we're off to a good start.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#14 - 2012-10-07 11:22:17 UTC
so what do people think of a HAM cyclone?

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#15 - 2012-10-09 10:42:06 UTC
bump

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#16 - 2012-10-10 15:54:56 UTC
bump

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#17 - 2012-10-10 17:23:20 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
I see the Tier 1 & 2 bc's as being heavy combat cruisers more dps more tank but less mobile higher sig radius.
Perhaps there is no need to add slots to Tier1 bc's at all.
i mean 16 slots should be enough surely as cruisers have 14 then bs could all be 18, command ships also 18. pirate/navy versions added later 17 slots.

so remove 2 slots from tier2 bc's and then just remove some from the highs and add to lows and mids as needed.
Harbi 7-3-6 5% dmg 5% resist
Prophecy 6-3-6 droneboat 15% drone HP/dmg 10% drone HP 50/150

Drake 7-5-4 5% kin dmg 5% ROF
Ferox 7-5-4 5% dmg 5% resist

Brutix 7-3-6 5% dmg 10% arm rep
Myrmidon 6-3-6 droneboat 10% drone HP/dmg 10% drone tracking 125/250

Hurricane 7-3-6 5% dmg and ROF
Cyclone 7-5-4 5%dmg 7.5% sh boost

increase mass so all are at least 2,500.000 kg heavier than the combat cruisers and reduce sig radius of tier 1&2 bc's by about 25%.
nerf their EHP to closer to Tier 1 bc's they still have plenty of EHP more than combat cruisers anyway
Atm i think they are too close to battleships literally their is only 1 slot difference and in some cases like the scorpion they have the same amount at 18 i think CCP forgot that they are still a cruiser hull in essence a slightly modified version rather than a small battleship :).

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